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[Gunner Recall]

You're pushing it.

The full word is actually blocked (try it), but you can get around by spelling it differently.
I dunno if it was Tom or someone else who set up that filter, but it should show you what the people who run ILF think of that word.

...and yes I'm aware it's been used in the past and has slid by, I guess this thread was just unlucky enough to have my attention

[SPACERITUAL]

What exactly am i pushing recall? Am i not allowed to call people on being full of shit now...or just you? I dont give a fuck whether or not we can use the word...but you coming off all OH WEVE ALWAYS MODDED POSTS LIKE THAT when we clearly fucking havent. Wouldnt it just be a better idea to pull your head out of your ass and post something a little less authoritarian? Like maybe "i know the rules were lax in the past but from now on we prefer if people would refrain from using that word, thanks for respecting the diversity of our forum". Where the fuck do you get off threatening me in the first place? Fuck you.

[Gunner Recall]

Sorry, can't hear you...my head is up my ass.

[snipelfritz]

pretending ALL white people have a racial advantage is also inaccurate. poor people are still poor. meth addicts are still addicted. a white single mother on crack raising two kids in a trailer park is not comparatively advantaged compared to the black crack mom living in the trailer next door.

According to the National Center for Children in Poverty, 38.2% of black children live in poverty, versus only 12.4% of white children. For Hispanics it's 35%, and Asians 13.6%.

Now, since I refuse to believe there's some genetic reason for this, I think it's safe to say attitudes toward race, or at the very least previous attitudes toward race, play a substantial role in poverty.

http://www.npc.umich.edu/poverty/#5

The US Census also shows a similar trend, but for people overall, not just children.

http://www.census.gov/newsroom/releases ... 1-157.html

On principle, I don't think that over-arching statistics are a good indication of individual attitudes/prejudices. Like unownunown said, classism and racism are highly correlated, but there is no direct this-for-that relationship of causation between them. You can't show people statistics and say, "SEE this is why you shouldn't be racist!!!" It's just going to get people who are already on your side more riled up and self-righteous without doing anything productive towards solving the problem.

Personally, I'd say that being white doesn't give you an advantage (stay with me on this one). Not being white gives you a disadvantage. Just a different way to conceptualize what many of you are saying.

I'm not going to say we should be able to use certain words in certain contexts, an outright ban on a word is the fairest form of censorship, but I will still promote the use of ironic humor to belittle bigoted perspectives (within the rules established by the mods). Just because someone says something doesn't mean they believe it or are promoting it. You can't denounce ideas if you're too afraid to even bring them up.

And a kaoss pad guitars always seems like the coolest thing until I remember...

[Gunner Recall]

...but seriously, I didn't say we've always modded those posts, I just said it's always been frowned upon and sometimes filtered.

Yes, variants of the word do show up on ILF.
A quick search pulls up 49 instances.

I don't actively run through the ILF database on a daily basis looking for them, but I will address them as I see them and/or if they are reported.
I did happen to see this thread, so I made edits.

[warwick.hoy]

C'mon now,....

Whether or not it's been actively moderated in the past,...the mods are asking that we refrain from using the word and I don't think it's too much to ask that we respect those wishes.

This forum is growing and there are going to be more and more people that will be participating in these threads and that is going to lead to more sensitivity to controversial words. I wish people wouldn't be so quick to be offended,...because all it really does is reinforce division and fear,...but unfortunately that's not the case. I'm all about loose moderation, keeping it light around these parts not to mention satirizing stereotypes,...but Is there really any reason why we need to be dropping N bombs in any context?

Fuck sake,...this is the only forum where I can come in here and cuss up a storm without fear of the ban hammer and that's one of the reason this place is awesome. With that comes the responsibility to police ourselves and I don't think it's unreasonable for moderation to expect us to be respectful of one another on a cultural level.

[amishrobots]

Good luck getting attention if you are a guy in a group that has a female frontwoman, period, no matter what you do. I'm not being sexist here, that is the fucking truth. Every single band on earth that is fronted by a woman, 99% of the audience wouldn't be able to pick anyone else in that band out of a fucking lineup or tell you any of their names. Audiences see a female singer and immediately block anyone else on stage out of their minds and eyes.

depends on the audience. If Justin Beiber came on stage with 40 hot female backup singers, would any of his 12 year old girl fans give a crap who any of them were?

I know, you're speaking more about real bands, whereas Justin Beiber is a pop bullshit pretty boy, so this analogy doesn't exactly work. But still, it depends on the dynamics of the band. Try getting a really ugly female frontwoman, and playing some really kickass guitar licks. Or paint boobs on your guitar, instead of a kaoss pad; you'd have much fewer electrical problems with boobs.

Wait, when did this thread become that other thread? Were you not getting enough attention there? Did a female frontwoman show up on that thread to talk, or what?

[Big Mon]

C'mon now,....

Whether or not it's been actively moderated in the past,...the mods are asking that we refrain from using the word and I don't think it's too much to ask that we respect those wishes.

This forum is growing and there are going to be more and more people that will be participating in these threads and that is going to lead to more sensitivity to controversial words. I'm all about loose moderation and keeping it light around these parts,...but Is there really any reason why we need to be dropping N bombs in any context?

Fuck sake,...this is the only forum where I can come in here and cuss up a storm without fear of the ban hammer and that's one of the reason this place is awesome. With that comes the responsibility to police ourselves and I don't think it's unreasonable for moderation to expect us to be respectful of one another on a cultural level.

Inclined to agree with HoyBoy( aww how kewt!) I mean if the Big N is like, the only thing you're not allowed to say( even if it's the more accepted "A" ending) then I don't see the big deal.

[theavondon]

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[behndy]

yahp. TRUE DAT.

just drop the more culturally acceptable Ninja.

or don't use it at all.

[Big Mon]

Behndy, that avatar suits you like no avatar before has suited anyone *reluctantly glances at own avatar*

[warwick.hoy]

Don't get me wrong,....I'm all for satirizing stereotypes for humor and I like the function that it serves of tearing down barriers. I'm all for realizing that sensitivity to cultural differences only reinforces fear and division (which is what the establishment wants),...but not everyone shares that mindset or has made that breakthrough. You can satirize stereotypes without becoming overly offensive and that's when the humor works.

I wish people weren't so quick to get offended but that just isn't the reality. Again,...getting offended really just reinforces the fear and division that is being used to hold the majority of us back.

The fact of the matter is that in the past there has been a systematic policy of holding black people back in this country (see American Slavery,,...see Jim Crow Laws). The result of that treading on human rights and denial of dignity is that the N bomb is especially offensive to black people when it comes out of a white person's mouth, in any context. Blacks have had to fight hard and have bled to combat segregation and inequality so I can completely understand defensiveness when white people drop the N bomb.

Besides,...using that word makes ANYONE seem silly and ignorant. To clarify, I'm not trying to single SR out here,...I'm saying ANYONE,...white or black who uses that word; whether it be for humorous purposes or for the purposes to defame, doesn't paint a particularly sophisticated picture of themselves.

Spacey,...I love you to death,...but there is no reason to get defiant here.

[SPACERITUAL]

Spacey,...I love you to death,...but there is no reason to get defiant here.

Man i really dont want to shit on my friends here.....but did you even read my post? Maybe the part about where i said i didnt give a fuck whether or not we were allowed to say the n-word? Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe just glanced? Maybe we should go back and read it? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe gunner recall is just a prick? Maybe not? Maybe i dont let people talk to me like theyre my fucking dad? Maybe.

[warwick.hoy]

Spacey,...I love you to death,...but there is no reason to get defiant here.

Man i really dont want to shit on my friends here.....

I usually have a pretty thick skin when it comes to internetz skirmishes, and I'm into resolution...so if I'm out of line,...I'd rather be respectfully told that I'm out of line. You are probably about as real of a person as I've come across on the internet and your defiance is sexy. I say this cause I'm not feeling shit upon.

but did you even read my post? Maybe the part about where i said i didnt give a fuck whether or not we were allowed to say the n-word? Maybe? Maybe not? Maybe just glanced? Maybe we should go back and read it? Maybe. Maybe not. Maybe gunner recall is just a prick? Maybe not? Maybe i dont let people talk to me like theyre my fucking dad? Maybe.

No I got that,...but I also didn't get Gunner's "pushing it" comment as prickish and warranting of a "fuck you".

Maybe I'm wrong.

If he wanted to be a prick,...I'm sure he could have found a more effective way of doing it.

I think we have a pretty good understanding of one another,...and I appreciate not letting people talk to you as if they are your father or blowing sanctimonious bullshit up your ass so I apologize if I came off that way.

[devnulljp]