The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[John]

Sunn amps are out of control price wise. on the good side of this if people are buying them for hipster cred they will be selling them as soon as they find a new trend to follow, and they'll be cheap again.

It's at the point where people are asking stupid prices for Sunn PA components, which are just basic and usually beat to ass.

[AngryGoldfish]

Sunn amps are out of control price wise. on the good side of this if people are buying them for hipster cred they will be selling them as soon as they find a new trend to follow, and they'll be cheap again.

If there ever was a hipster amp, it's a Sunn.

[Helter]

Even gear-wise: a few years ago everybody and their mothers was buying Fender amps and offset guitars and playing weepy post-rock stuff.

You mean I missed it!

, I totally agree with you though.

[AxAxSxS]

if you can find one of these, I highly recommend. I have two now and use one for the folded horn cab and one for 2x15 + 4x12 with a Ward head running another 4x
You shouldn't have to pay more than $300 for one. 46l6, Sounds freaking HUGE with my setup.

[phantasmagorovich]

Just you guys wait until I invent a new kind of music that relies on HH transistor amplifiers!! Muharrharr!

Not sure about PILE. The voice is a little old-school, makes me dwell in memories more than is good.

Also about Doom I certainly got into it very late. I guess I would be considered one of the hipster late adopters but that is alright with me, I've listened to Melvins for ages and always put them in the hardcore/noiserock corner along with Helmet f.ex. I remember I've seen Electric Wizard open for Slint at one of the reunion shows in London and fucking hated it. Now I kinda like them but I've never been much of a Doomhead. I sometimes listen to Burning Witch or Cough or Moss but that's about it. Now, if we're talking REAL drone, then I can be on. For example I have no idea where Earth would be drone?

[AngryGoldfish]

Drone was not the right word to use. I was trying to describe their penchant for space and atmospherics.

[skullservant]

Sunn amps are out of control price wise. on the good side of this if people are buying them for hipster cred they will be selling them as soon as they find a new trend to follow, and they'll be cheap again.

Had a Beta Lead for a while. It was alright, but I'm more into pedal dirt.
Had a Sceptre for a while. Reverb was awesome, but it was really hi-fi.

[new05002]

Most amps are price gouged.

Sound City, Sunn, Marshall, Ampegs, Fenders even now those ones the blues lawyers hate from the 70s, Orange, Matamp. You cant even pick up anything for cheap unless the person is a moron

[John]

Solid state is the way to go anyway. I get my vintage on for cheeeep.

[skullservant]

I was TOTALLY surprised by Traynor SS prices. I was looking on Ebay saying 'that's it???'

[phantasmagorovich]

Solid state is the way to go anyway. I get my vintage on for cheeeep.

My man!

Some of them sound decent. Nowadays they seem to just opt for cheap, but I think back when the technology was kind of new they built some really nice sounding solid state amplifiers.

[AxAxSxS]

Nick, saw your posts on TB, I lurk but don't post there, if you ever write a book on amp design count on me wanting a copy. Was a good read.

[D-Day]

Can you please link to Nick's post John?

oh and on the weed thing...this is so un-doom...i've only smoked it about 2 or three times...

I've moved on to catnip.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3scQ0wq5zLE[/youtube]

Seriously though. Drugs and who likes which ones is such a moot point in music. There are junkies who slay and junkies who suck. Same as sober people. I like to reef my grass continuously and I have to imagine it has an effect on my sound but it's hardly necessary. If the heart is heavy then the music will follow suit.

Damn, I should have given that a spin when I was at Soldano's with you but the Avenger was so fucking awesome! Also, I still want your buddy from Sleep Capsule's guitar. And Sleep Capsule merch/recordings if they have any. And an Ape Blaster. So yeah.

That 25er is a fire breathing dragon of an amplifier. I know he's got more than one proto sitting around over there that will never do anything unless he plans to start researching dust formations. I should see if I can pester my way into one on the cheap. Sleep Capsule has no merch. I can see about a burnt CD though. We're talking about a split but they just got their practice space back last weekend. The adjacent building burnt down and all their gear got massively shat on by smoke damage. Thankfully Russ had that guitar at work with him. Also Epiphone has started putting out that guitar again. I don't know how close they get to the real but they look nice from across the room. Here be a video of Sleep Capsule in action in case anybody wonders about this guitar:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z9NaIyFpvcg[/youtube]

Pure SLO amp dirt there. Jeff's running the bass through a Soldano GTO and into a Fender PS400.

And Brett! I wasn't kidding about that crazy tea kettle. It's like a whistle tip in three part harmony.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Y55_HXAc ... 8A&index=1

Short answer: ALUMINUM

Speaking of which if a guy wanted to build a Telemaster and put an aluminum neck on it, where would he start shopping? The only name I know is Electrical.

Does anyone know of any awesome doom/sludge/stoner/awesome shows in the UK this year?

St Vitus and Mos Generator will be there some time in March. You definitely want to see that. St Vitus is incomparable. Weedeater had just blown my face in and I thought "no way is a gang of octogenarians going to best what I just witnessed". Yet they did and with great aplomb. Mos Generator also kills. Tony's my favorite guitar player in Washington state. That Rangemaster I posted a few pages back is being gutted so that he can try to approximate his crazy Risson sound through Chandler's 800 while he's over there. Here's a crappy sounding five year old video of them knockin it out.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UCgvw4U-bfw[/youtube]

Good to see the new home of the doom room.

Occam! Splendid!

I hate to be a downer, but I feel like "doom" is going through the same hipster renaissance that "black metal" did.

This has happened to everything good ever. It always will. I say just be sure keep it real on the battlefield homie! That's all anybody needs to worry about.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JYGoougMHSQ[/youtube]

yes yes yes yes and YES!!!!!!!! That is one of the greatest albums in the history of albums. A total gamechanger and so far ahead of everything people still have trouble picking up on it 25 years later. You are now my eBro. Here's the whole thing because it's Sunday and people need rad shit to listen to.
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s1813cEd8hI[/youtube]

Even gear-wise: a few years ago everybody and their mothers was buying Fender amps and offset guitars and playing weepy post-rock stuff. I feel like stoner and doom are taking that place now, I've never seen so many people playing SGs and Orange amps as I see nowadays.

The sad thing there is that so many would rather just buy the gear some other guy has than really think about how many ways there are to skin this cat. You can sure get just as much stoned out doom sound outta Fender goods as SG's and Oranges. I don't mean to say that those items sound identical, just that they can be wielded in equally 'heavy' fashion.

Sup dudes?!?!

This is also Splendid!

So I just had a really positive jam session with my new Telecaster. I've figured something out about this guitar: it needs dirt, a lot of dirt, to sound the way I like a guitar to sound. It's too thin and without sustain on a clean setting. The amp just isn't pushed hard enough. But with gain, the dynamics pop out, the sustain is back, and feedback is clear and organic.

Nice! Isn't dirt always the answer?

Solid state is the way to go anyway. I get my vintage on for cheeeep.

I sure do like that Lab Series I got. And I sure don't care for Sunn amps. The sound mainly. And Dan is right, Sunn is definitely the hipster's choice this week.

[new05002]

Nick, saw your posts on TB, I lurk but don't post there, if you ever write a book on amp design count on me wanting a copy. Was a good read.

thanks. Probably best to buy Merlin's book on it. Its where I learned alot.

Also to be on topic. Even 70s SS shit is money. Acoustics are out of control. Sunn stuff is as we said out of control. Maybe you can snag some peavey stuff.

[new05002]

Can you please link to Nick's post John?

http://www.talkbass.com/forum/f28/stone ... dex48.html

Treatise on Popular Amp EQs. Not totally complete but helpful