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Gearmond wrote:while we're on the subject of rap and homophobia, Die Antwoord released like an "explanation video" for their new single off of their new album, and the explanation is entitled "faggot" basically explaining that to the south african social consciousnesses "nigga" isn't held down as an oppressive or "only we can use that" term, which is my personal experience with it too, growing up in a pretty sketchy neighborhood, and thats the side i choose on the own v. disown debate on the word. but being more relevant, DJ Hi-Tek finally shows his "face" and his verse uses faggot a shitton, and Ninja is basically explaining that Hi-Tek is gay himself and sorta uses faggot in the same sense as above, in that he uses (or at least intends) to use it as a show of dominance over the power the word once had or whatever.

but yeah, its kinda interesting that the big hip-hop stars lately have been relatively less testosterone driven than before. Li'l Wayne is kinda the exception, but his latest album was so soft (and terrible) im gonna add him in anyway; you have like Kanye, Drake (for better or worse), Kid Cudi, etc.

i think you would get a lot out of this, it's super relevant to what you're saying. i wish it were longer though. but i dunno, it's kind of weird how rap started off pretty emotional and personal, then got mad boasty and shit and has been slowing tending away from that. (when i say rap, i mean the trends of mainstream stuff. although i would love to do some research tracking the subjects of popular rap through the genre's mainstream lifespan.)

but in regards to the first thing, the n word will never hold the same emotions for african americans as black americans. two totally different racial experiences. personally, i was raised to hate it with venom. i never say it. i feel uncomfortable when people say it, although less so in rap music. i know it's not a big deal to most people, but i have this really deep hateful reaction to it and i try to keep that in mind when people use it.

even my mom's older brothers growing up poor and black through the 70s made a point to never say it. my uncle's said that people who use it casually are ignoring the disgusting history of it and staying ignorant to the problems of the black community now and in the past. and i mean, they don't teach enough about black history in schools as it is. using that word casually is just another way to erase a really important thing. i think that's an important thing to consider when it comes to reappropriating words in general too, especially when the history behind this word isn't old at all. but just because i hate it, i don't expect it to never be used. i guess the context and power dynamics are really the major thing...

i dunno though. i'm rambling and procrastinating so i made this text small so it takes up less space. also this reminds me that flamboyant gay black rappers are definitely amazing.

unownunown wrote:it's kind of weird how rap started off pretty emotional and personal, then got mad boasty and shit and has been slowing tending away from that. (when i say rap, i mean the trends of mainstream stuff. although i would love to do some research tracking the subjects of popular rap through the genre's mainstream lifespan.)

There's always been a divide, going back to Sugarhill and Grand Master Flash:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=diiL9bqvalo[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=O4o8TeqKhgY[/youtube]

And it's unlikely to ever change. Fear of A Black Planet has always had to share shelf space with License to Ill, ya know?

Didn't the FBI create gangsta rap in order to promote black on black crime and make a life of drugs and crime glamorous?

theavondon wrote:Didn't the FBI create gangsta rap in order to promote black on black crime and make a life of drugs and crime glamorous?

shhhhh... its a secret

unownunown wrote:

Gearmond wrote:while we're on the subject of rap and homophobia, Die Antwoord released like an "explanation video" for their new single off of their new album, and the explanation is entitled "faggot" basically explaining that to the south african social consciousnesses "nigga" isn't held down as an oppressive or "only we can use that" term, which is my personal experience with it too, growing up in a pretty sketchy neighborhood, and thats the side i choose on the own v. disown debate on the word. but being more relevant, DJ Hi-Tek finally shows his "face" and his verse uses faggot a shitton, and Ninja is basically explaining that Hi-Tek is gay himself and sorta uses faggot in the same sense as above, in that he uses (or at least intends) to use it as a show of dominance over the power the word once had or whatever.

but yeah, its kinda interesting that the big hip-hop stars lately have been relatively less testosterone driven than before. Li'l Wayne is kinda the exception, but his latest album was so soft (and terrible) im gonna add him in anyway; you have like Kanye, Drake (for better or worse), Kid Cudi, etc.

i think you would get a lot out of this, it's super relevant to what you're saying. i wish it were longer though. but i dunno, it's kind of weird how rap started off pretty emotional and personal, then got mad boasty and shit and has been slowing tending away from that. (when i say rap, i mean the trends of mainstream stuff. although i would love to do some research tracking the subjects of popular rap through the genre's mainstream lifespan.)

but in regards to the first thing, the n word will never hold the same emotions for african americans as black americans. two totally different racial experiences. personally, i was raised to hate it with venom. i never say it. i feel uncomfortable when people say it, although less so in rap music. i know it's not a big deal to most people, but i have this really deep hateful reaction to it and i try to keep that in mind when people use it.

even my mom's older brothers growing up poor and black through the 70s made a point to never say it. my uncle's said that people who use it casually are ignoring the disgusting history of it and staying ignorant to the problems of the black community now and in the past. and i mean, they don't teach enough about black history in schools as it is. using that word casually is just another way to erase a really important thing. i think that's an important thing to consider when it comes to reappropriating words in general too, especially when the history behind this word isn't old at all. but just because i hate it, i don't expect it to never be used. i guess the context and power dynamics are really the major thing...

i dunno though. i'm rambling and procrastinating so i made this text small so it takes up less space. also this reminds me that flamboyant gay black rappers are definitely amazing.

yeah, hip-hop and black masculinity are really interesting in regards to the consistant resurfacing flashiness of it, yet still the prevalent homophobia of the culture. that was a good read, a bit run-on-sentence-y but good.

thats actually a good point about the perspective of being black in africa v. black in america, that i (obviously) can't FULLY understand, i'm just in the camp of words only having power if you let them, but with the caveat that removing that power is much harder than it sounds. and its interesting to bring up the reappropriation of it within the same culture as well, because the history is still fresh in the conciousness of those using it, are they actively trying to ignore history, or is it an appropriation of it for other uses.

similar in principle; the reappropriation of the image of Guy Fawkes; a historical figure viewed as a religious fanatic who conspired to support a racially pure theocracy, used by a brilliant writer to symbolize moral ambiguity in a graphic novel, adapted by cult-internet-favorite directors into a horribly aped film version of said graphic novel, appropriated by a (mostly white) internet culture to represent individual rights, anti-religious sentiment, and communo-anarchist political sentiment. essentially the exact opposite of what Guy Fawkes initially represented. granted theres the difference of a.) time (400 years v. i dunno 100-ish? in regards to the n-word specifically) and b.) severity of impact because i doubt even 50 years after people would shudder and get lumps in their chest at the mention of "Guy Fawkes" as opposed to the reactions the n-word still gets.

hypocritically i'd prefer that Guy Fawkes remain an example of moral grayness (leaning towards bad/fanaticism more) as opposed to a crusader for personal justice, but its interesting to see cultural appropriation within the same culture and it's responses.

L, T.

GardenoftheDead wrote:

Fuzzy Picklez wrote:wut

I hear people say all the time that "flamboyant" or "flaming" homosexuals are annoying. I think they're awesome.

I wish was that comfortable in my own skin to dress as a flower and hump everything in sight. That said, I've met only one (or two) openly gay people, and both were not flamboyant.

Anyway, I'm straight, and am totally in favour of people being themselves. I wish I had to more to add, but I don't.

HAH!! KELLANIUM SIGHTING!!!!!!!!

*happy dance*

uh!!!

*reads MacSpunkle's first post*

damn. sad trumpet. makes me want to give you a big old hug and cuddle dooder. i'm sorry meng.

i put straight. 'cept for some Unexpected Head from a guy friend during a drunk/muscle relaxer party multi-partner situation when i was younger, only been with laydays.

but DAYUM there are some fine Thai Lady Boys i'd do horrible, beautiful things to.

I was totally gonna post the 'Only Gay Eskimo' song in my honor, but kaboom ruined it.

Where the hell am I supposed to find a song about TWO gay eskimos?

theactionindex wrote:I was totally gonna post the 'Only Gay Eskimo' song in my honor, but kaboom ruined it.

Where the hell am I supposed to find a song about TWO gay eskimos?

post this instead

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VZ2d3h_TgU0[/youtube]

Straight, but I have no problems at all with any sexual orientation. Your life, your choice.


I just don't like the assholes of the world.

Oh phew, good to know you don't like assholes. Dodged a bullet there.