The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[AxAxSxS]

I would think the opposite since no one would plug in two cabs to make a 16 ohm load. So I see it as one 16 ohm, then two 8 ohm so you can plug in two 16 ohm cabs, and two 4 ohms so you can plug I two 8 ohm cabs. Make sense? But, best contact Ben about that.

That was my take. The previous owner said it was one 16ohm, two 8ohm, but he also said that two 8 ohm cabs would go to the 8 ohm taps which seems contradictory. I'm sure its capable of having two 16 ohm cabs plugged into it. I'll message verellen. I'ts really a manner of how it was labeled.

[Ancient Astronaught]

I would think the opposite since no one would plug in two cabs to make a 16 ohm load. So I see it as one 16 ohm, then two 8 ohm so you can plug in two 16 ohm cabs, and two 4 ohms so you can plug I two 8 ohm cabs. Make sense? But, best contact Ben about that.

That was my take. The previous owner said it was one 16ohm, two 8ohm, but he also said that two 8 ohm cabs would go to the 8 ohm taps which seems contradictory. I'm sure its capable of having two 16 ohm cabs plugged into it. I'll message verellen. I'ts really a manner of how it was labeled.

I'd put money on this is how its wired:

[AxAxSxS]

Messaged verellen, I'll report back what they have to say.

[D.o.S.]

I'm with Astro and his fancy drawing.

[CaptainBoxman]

I would think the opposite since no one would plug in two cabs to make a 16 ohm load. So I see it as one 16 ohm, then two 8 ohm so you can plug in two 16 ohm cabs, and two 4 ohms so you can plug I two 8 ohm cabs. Make sense? But, best contact Ben about that.

That was my take. The previous owner said it was one 16ohm, two 8ohm, but he also said that two 8 ohm cabs would go to the 8 ohm taps which seems contradictory. I'm sure its capable of having two 16 ohm cabs plugged into it. I'll message verellen. I'ts really a manner of how it was labeled.

I'd put money on this is how its wired:

This is my understanding

[chillerthanmost]

I would think the opposite since no one would plug in two cabs to make a 16 ohm load. So I see it as one 16 ohm, then two 8 ohm so you can plug in two 16 ohm cabs, and two 4 ohms so you can plug I two 8 ohm cabs. Make sense? But, best contact Ben about that.

That was my take. The previous owner said it was one 16ohm, two 8ohm, but he also said that two 8 ohm cabs would go to the 8 ohm taps which seems contradictory. I'm sure its capable of having two 16 ohm cabs plugged into it. I'll message verellen. I'ts really a manner of how it was labeled.

Yeah, I'm not saying I'm right and everyone else is wrong. It really could go both ways, though. You can also open it up and find out. But hopefully Ben will reply quickly. I think we can all agree it's a weird layout, haha.

[chillerthanmost]

I still think it's two outs that make 4 ohms total, two outs that make 8 ohms total, and one out that makes 16 ohms.

Because the way skip is describing it means that you would never use the one labeled 4 ohms if you have two cabs that equal 4 ohms. Which is far more common than having two cabs that equal 16 ohms. So having two outs that equal 16 ohms makes no sense to me. But maybe I'm not thinking straight at the moment.

[D.o.S.]

That makes less sense to me than having outputs that match up to the cabs. So two outputs for two eight ohm cabs, one output for one 4 ohm cab, and two outputs for 16 ohm cabs.

Think about it - your cabs are labeled 4, 8, and 16. You can use a pair of 16 ohm cabs, a pair of 8 ohm cabs, and one 4 ohm cab with that head (plus one 8 ohm cab and one 16 ohm), but you're never going to have a pair of 4 ohm cabs with that head, since (I believe) it can't safely go down to 2 ohms.

[Ancient Astronaught]

I still think it's two outs that make 4 ohms total, two outs that make 8 ohms total, and one out that makes 16 ohms.

Because the way skip is describing it means that you would never use the one labeled 4 ohms if you have two cabs that equal 4 ohms. Which is far more common than having two cabs that equal 16 ohms. So having two outs that equal 16 ohms makes no sense to me. But maybe I'm not thinking straight at the moment.

I think your reading my picture wrong.

There is two outs that equal 4 ohms total, the two 8ohm outs. Look at my numbers not as the total load of that out but as the load of the speaker your plugging into it. The arrows designate a parallel out. So if you plug two 16 ohm cabs into the 16ohm taps it equals 8ohms (designated by the = sign in my pic) but you can still use the bottom row as single cab outs.

[Ancient Astronaught]

So this is how your saying it is:

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This would provide no way to have a second 16ohm cab plugged in, which is an extremely common occurrence. And 4 + 4x in parallel would equal a 2ohm load, which is extremely uncommon in guitar amps (as 90$ of guitar cabs are 16 or 8ohm). If this was a bass amp I could see it having a 2ohm tap but I highly doubt it.

Now if your talking about 8x as a total load and plug 16ohm cabs in to the 16ohm and 8x, and 4x as a total load from plugging 8 ohm cabs into the 8 and 4x, then we are basically saying the same thing just from different view points. If your saying that you'd have to do 8 + 8x and 4 + 4x they would have to be serial connected jacks and would require that 2 cabs be plugged in at all times, which would render you unable to use the 8ohm or 4ohm out alone, and render the labeling of them as 8 and 4 ohm outputs a moot and useless point.

[D.o.S.]

so basically

[chillerthanmost]

Yeah, I understand what you guys are saying. I'm just saying I'm seeing it differently. To me, each pair of outputs has a total impedance that's labeled. Just like any amp you get, for the lost part, will have a pair of outs with a single label that is the total impedance. Not the impedance of what cabs you should plug in. For instance, a Marshall had two outputs, when you pick the 8 ohm tap, it doesn't mean plug in two 8 ohm cabs, it means that's the total impedance of whatever two cabs you use. That's how I'm seeing this amp; a pair of outs for a total impedance. And a single 16 ohm because, again, you wouldn't use two cabs to get 16 ohms in any parallel situation. The other way just seems illogical. But I can most definitely be wrong. I'm not trying to be stubborn, I'm just seein it that way for some reason.

[D.o.S.]

That seems significantly more complicated.

Remember, these are made for musicians. We're retarded.

[ridingeternity]

I still think it's two outs that make 4 ohms total, two outs that make 8 ohms total, and one out that makes 16 ohms.

Because the way skip is describing it means that you would never use the one labeled 4 ohms if you have two cabs that equal 4 ohms. Which is far more common than having two cabs that equal 16 ohms. So having two outs that equal 16 ohms makes no sense to me. But maybe I'm not thinking straight at the moment.

I think your reading my picture wrong.

There is two outs that equal 4 ohms total, the two 8ohm outs. Look at my numbers not as the total load of that out but as the load of the speaker your plugging into it. The arrows designate a parallel out. So if you plug two 16 ohm cabs into the 16ohm taps it equals 8ohms (designated by the = sign in my pic) but you can still use the bottom row as single cab outs.

I just talked with Ben about this yesterday.

My head has two 8ohm and two 4 ohm outs.

He said when running two 8ohm parallel, run them both off the 4 ohm outs, 16s parallel off the 8 ohm outs, he also said that at least the Meatsmoke has been tested with two 4ohm cabs into the 4ohm outs and the mistmatch is safe enough for his build specs.

Im itching to try and run 4x16ohm 4x12s 2 each series together for 8ohms on each stack then run them off the 4ohm outs.

[chillerthanmost]

And I was right.