The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[conky]

Played Atlanta for the first time last night. Had a blast. Every band was awesome at what they did. One was like if CKY, Eyehategod and Russian Circles had a baby. Their bassisty played through a V4, a Univox, and a Dean Markley amp, and the guitarist ran a Sovtek and a shit ton of pedals. Another band sounded like MBV mixed with surf rock covering Silversun Pickups. The bassist used an Elements and sounded so thick. Had one guy come up before oogling my rig while we were setting up and he was telling his hipster douchebag buddy that Soldanos were too icepicky and you couldn't get a heavy tone out of them, and how all they were good for was 80's cock rock. I flipped the standby switch off and hit an open A and let it ring out for a good 15 seconds before palm muting it a little. Shut my standby off and walked off stage while overhearing the guy's buddy saying he didn't know shit about tone. Sold some merch and left making a good impression on the club. Hopefully we'll be back there soon.

[D.o.S.]

what pedal are you using? or are you using amp gain?

Also any examples of the kind of sustain length you're talking about would be grand.

You could also try the classic "guitar volume knob down amp volume to taste" and see if that helps.


LOL at Soldanos not bringing the heavy.

[ryan summit]

, I need something with more sustain that doesn't end in feedback after holding the chord for too long.

try a philosophers tone homey
fuckin forever sustainage

[Forrrest]

anything above 4 seconds turns to feedback. would be cool to get 10seconds of heavy powerchord!

onboard pedals: Devi Silver Rose (muff & superfuzz), SFT, Monarch, Elements, (I have others to choose from too)
amps: orange OTR120 (master is cranked & gain at 3:00) > PPC412 with V30
guitar: tele blacktop baritone with a DiMarzio DP100 in the bridge

too many pedals on my board? (I use the buffer in the TC Electronics)
I also have a Radial ABY that splits to an SVT... does splitting suck sustain/tone?

[AxAxSxS]

Dial the gain back a bit? Stand farther away from amp? I know, neither option is something you want to do

Parker, PM sent and I will email you later. I need to chat with Tony about what would work out best on our end as far as gear shuffleing.

[Kacey Y]

, I need something with more sustain that doesn't end in feedback after holding the chord for too long.

try a philosophers tone homey
fuckin forever sustainage

I used a Pigtronix Aria and Philosopher's Tone for a song where I just had long sustained power chords on guitar, worked great. Before that it kept fading out right before the changes, I was trying to dial the tone in forever. I didn't care for the way it sounded if I was doing a lot of short, palm muted stuff, but for the heavy, forever sustaining thing, killed it.

[ryan summit]

yessireee
love that shit
god that aria sounded so good too
just couldnt jive with the layout or the pink
i always said turning the aria on
was like unsheathing a huge sword

[Ancient Astronaught]

anything above 4 seconds turns to feedback. would be cool to get 10seconds of heavy powerchord!

onboard pedals: Devi Silver Rose (muff & superfuzz), SFT, Monarch, Elements, (I have others to choose from too)
amps: orange OTR120 (master is cranked & gain at 3:00) > PPC412 with V30
guitar: tele blacktop baritone with a DiMarzio DP100 in the bridge

too many pedals on my board? (I use the buffer in the TC Electronics)
I also have a Radial ABY that splits to an SVT... does splitting suck sustain/tone?

Tele + Radial + muff, atleast in my situation doesn't result in not enough sustain, it'll ring for damn near forever. I know superfuzzes don't tend to keep good sustain for long, but my elements did. Do you hear any thing else along with the feedback? When I went so see my friends in lord play a week ago his feedback died quick and then would kinda make a popping noise due to bad preamp tubes (well atleast thats what I'm guessing, it is a 6505 though so it could be anything). One trick I've found to getting infinite sustain is to use a delay at the end of the chain with the mix set really low (sos you don't really hear the repeats when you have your dirt on, with the time low and the repeats high. It helps keep that sustained note going and audible even when it starts to fade out and if it feeds back it feeds back the sustained note thats repeating.

[Kacey Y]

yessireee
love that shit
god that aria sounded so good too
just couldnt jive with the layout or the pink
i always said turning the aria on
was like unsheathing a huge sword

I've heard a lot of people complaining about the layout on that series of Pigtronix pedals. I don't mind it, I already have to turn things around every which way to fit, especially with Nick's huge ass pedals. I love the tones I can get out of that Aria though, I've used that thing on so many recording projects.

[Harry_Manback]

Sweet! Glad you're out there kickin ass.

Played Atlanta for the first time last night. Had a blast. Every band was awesome at what they did. One was like if CKY, Eyehategod and Russian Circles had a baby. Their bassisty played through a V4, a Univox, and a Dean Markley amp, and the guitarist ran a Sovtek and a shit ton of pedals. Another band sounded like MBV mixed with surf rock covering Silversun Pickups. The bassist used an Elements and sounded so thick. Had one guy come up before oogling my rig while we were setting up and he was telling his hipster douchebag buddy that Soldanos were too icepicky and you couldn't get a heavy tone out of them, and how all they were good for was 80's cock rock. I flipped the standby switch off and hit an open A and let it ring out for a good 15 seconds before palm muting it a little. Shut my standby off and walked off stage while overhearing the guy's buddy saying he didn't know shit about tone. Sold some merch and left making a good impression on the club. Hopefully we'll be back there soon.

[Forrrest]

Dial the gain back a bit? Stand farther away from amp? I know, neither option is something you want to do

is this the only real solution?


I've used compressors in the past, but I found I only went to feedback faster.
can anyone explain the dynamics of what happens exactly that makes your guitar feedback & not sustain the notes you're playing.

[Kacey Y]

Compressors help with sustain, but if you have a feedback problem it will only make it worse. If it's not the gain/settings, it might be pickups. Microphonic/unpotted pickups can feedback like crazy.

[new05002]

Some pedals just dont sustain very well as well. They tend to decay sharply without holding out. A lot of true fuzz pedals are like that but not all of them do this.

[Forrrest]

it might be pickups. Microphonic/unpotted pickups can feedback like crazy.

I put in the Dimarzio SuperDistortion just last year (bought new). do those come potted?
are there levels of microphinic?
what pickup would let me stand closest to my stack without feeding back?

[Kacey Y]

I put in the Dimarzio SuperDistortion just last year (bought new). do those come potted?
are there levels of microphinic?
what pickup would let me stand closest to my stack without feeding back?

If it's new it should probably be potted, but I can't say for sure. Try taking something non ferrous, like a pick, and tapping it against the bobbin of the pickup with the amp on and turned up. If you can hear it that "chunkchunk" tapping sound, it's microphonic and needs to be wax potted. If for some reason you DO need to pot them, there's lots of tutorials on youtube on how to do it easily. It's not very hard. There's no flat answer for a specific pedal, pickup or anything else to eliminate feedback, it's a lot of different pieces of gear working together with variable settings and conditions. There's a lot of different things that can cause feedback, you just have to play around with changing some of those variables (where you stand, amp/pedal gain and EQ settings, guitar/pickup choice) and see what works. I wouldn't try to clamp down on it too hard with noise gates and whatnot, because if you have to go really extreme you're probably going to end up losing some of that sustain that you want. The sustain issue and the feedback might be two sides of the same coin or they might be two different coincidental issues.