What would you do in this situation *unsettling content*

[snipelfritz]

Can I say this again. It's not going to serve as a solutions but it might provide some insight: BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE, CONTACT HR. They aren't in cahootz with your managers and are your best resource as to what is within the boundaries of protected employee conduct.

They may have a proper course of action (sadly they may not). As BC has been saying, its not so important you do the right thing, its that you do it in the right way.

[Psyre]

I really appreciate the input from both sides, I REALLY needed to hear both sides from other people than myself.

[Mike]

Can I say this again. It's not going to serve as a solutions but it might provide some insight: BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE, CONTACT HR. They aren't in cahootz with your managers and are your best resource as to what is within the boundaries of protected employee conduct.

They may have a proper course of action (sadly they may not). As BC has been saying, its not so important you do the right thing, its that you do it in the right way.

And that is why I posted links to Staples' dedicated ethics website for Psyre. Staples has a procedure in place for stuff like this. I will post it again:

Their Code of Ethics [PDF] links to a site called Staples EthicsLink. According to their FAQ [PDF], as soon as you file a report, a standardized, documented process is started.

And here is the direct link for you to make your report: https://secure.ethicspoint.com/domain/m ... elect.html

And here is what will happen when you make your report:

What happens when I call the Staples EthicsLink phone number?
You’ll speak with a call center specialist employed by EthicsPoint, Inc., the third party that administers Staples EthicsLink. This person will capture your question or report, asking you to provide de tailed information. You may choose to remain anonymous, however, doing so may limit a full investigation of the matter. Therefore, we encourage you to identify yourself. You should also be prepared, if you are willing, to provide the names of witnesses of any alleged misconduct to increase the success of an investigation into your complaint. Once you are finished, the specialist will notify Staples’ Ethics team in the U.S. of the new question or concern. The EthicsPoint call center specialist cannot provide you advice or resolve your issue over the phone. If your matter is urgent, s/he will provide you with info rmation to contact the Ethics team directly so you can receive immediate assistance. The call center specialist will provide you with a Report Key and password for you to access the follow-up on your report after five business days.

Where will my question or concern go after I submit it to Staples EthicsLink?
Shortly after you submit a report to, or call, Staples EthicsLink, the helpline system automatically will send an email to Staples’ Ethics team in the U.S., led by our VP Business Ethics. This email prompts the Ethics team to review your report by logging onto the vendor’s password-protected site. Typically, this initial review occurs within 24 hours after you submit a report to the helpline.
How does the Ethics team handle new Staples EthicsLink reports?

Staples’ policy is to address and resolve all questions and concerns report ed to Staples Ethics Link as promptly, professionally, and as confidentially as possible. The Ethics team helps ensure compliance with this important policy by reviewing each new helpline report within 24 hours and then assigning all ethics-related questions and concerns to appropriate subject-matter experts for follow up. Depending on the circumstances, the VP, Business Ethics may handle a helpline question or concern directly or, where appropriate, assign it to other subject-matter experts in Human Resources, Internal Audit, Legal, and/or Loss Prevention. No matter which team handles a particular ethics or compliance concer n, every report to Staples EthicsLink is monitored by the VP, Business Ethics to ensure that adequate follow up occurs and that, where potential violations are found, the company takes appropriate disciplinary and/or corrective action.

I wouldn't report anyone I suspected of committing a crime directly to the police unless that person's alleged crime had me or a loved one as the direct victim. In America 2013, being accused of even a minor crime can destroy lives. One misspeak during an interview conducted by people who are specifically trained in interrogation techniques designed to solicit confessions from people regardless of innocence, and someone could find themselves in jail, broke, unemployable, disallowed from raising their kids, unable to find housing, etc.

Mike

[D.o.S.]

Won't somebody think of the mother stabbers and the father rapers.

[snipelfritz]

Can I say this again. It's not going to serve as a solutions but it might provide some insight: BEFORE DOING ANYTHING ELSE, CONTACT HR. They aren't in cahootz with your managers and are your best resource as to what is within the boundaries of protected employee conduct.

They may have a proper course of action (sadly they may not). As BC has been saying, its not so important you do the right thing, its that you do it in the right way.

And that is why I posted links to Staples' dedicated ethics website for Psyre. Staples has a procedure in place for stuff like this. I will post it again:

Excellent Research

Mike

And this is why we need to hire a paralegal on this case, or at least a intern.

[D.o.S.]

This just in, snipez wants to heave laws out of airplanes.

[snipelfritz]

This just in, snipez wants to heave laws out of airplanes.

No, I just want to see people be arrested in a manner that will see a proper conviction.

I don't know the legal specifics but you need to make sure what you're presenting is admissible evidence. Otherwise they get off scoff free.

Working somewhere where I'm bound by nondisclosure agreements. If I heard the specifics of a crime and went to the authorities. I don't think my testimony could be used to support a warrant.

I don't know TS's situation and he should figure that out.

[D.o.S.]

paralegals.

[wsas3]

There are so many possibilities as to what may be going on here, and precious few of them would be considered appropriate or innocent. People can have their "fuck the police" motives all they want (god knows I have my own!), but the truth is, most people behind bars deserve to be there. Making petty excuses for reasons not to report it makes you as big a part of the problem if something bad is happening to this girl.

The problem is, we don't know if something bad is happening to this girl. He could be a piece of ship child rapist who has been taking advantage of his daughter her whole life. Or, she could be totally fucked in the head, took a bunch of really fucked up pictures of herself, and put it in a folder called daddy because she's fucked in the head and has a lot of awful daddy fantasies. We don't know.

My experience is colored by the fact that I have legal training myself, and also my wife worked for a public defender's office for about 5 years. I've seen decent and innocent people be railroaded into a ruined and crashing down life, and I've also seen complete fucking awful scumbags walk out of court a free man because the police or the prosecution fucked up the investigation and did things they weren't supposed to. Our system is poisoned, and it's rotting from the inside.

The only reason I mention this is because most of you seem to be saying, "call the cops, if the dad's innocent, then he'll be fine". I just want everyone to understand that no, he won't. Period. I've seen almost identical cases happen before, and he never ends up "fine".

And you think you have a better understanding from the outside of these court rulings? I'd feel terrible for the dad if he were innocent and was thrown in jail, as you're sure he would be... But if he's a good person he would know it was in the interest of his daughter.

[kbit]

Here are some updates a clarifications. I'm going to go in today and talk things over with my co-worker. My dilemma is that I opted to not see the pictures. He was pretty unsettled and I could tell so I went to check on him, and he explained the situation to me, but I opted to stay clear from the computer, so I did not see anything. I feel like me reporting it to the police would be no different than any of you reporting it, at this point, HE really needs to be on board for anything to happen. I did however do some snooping, found the guys facebook where there was a picture with his daughter, although I have no exact proof she definitely looked 14-15. There were also a bunch of pictures of him holding assault rifles, not to mention he looks like sergeant fucking savage. Arms are the size of my thighs.

My dilemma is that I have known similar situations that have occurred, and fathers have paid tens of thousands in court fees and had been innocent, only for it to have been another family member etc. I'm just going to have to talk it over with said co-worker and find the best way to support his decision.

Good call, especially if you yourself haven't seen these pictures.

[snipelfritz]

Think about it guys. Possession is 9/yadda yadda. Who has the evidence? Staples. Unless the powers that be change their mind about turning in the computer, you don't have evidence enough for a warrant.

If you really want to see this abuse ended you need to do it much more carefully than running to the cops.

Maybe the answer is whistleblowing, but that seems like a last resort. But seriously, 20/20 or some shit would eat this story up.

[goosekevin]

What did you decide to do bud?

[Psyre]

I'll fill it in tomorrow, thanks for the reminder

[Psyre]

Sorry things have been extremely hectic, been getting to play shows and stuff so that's great.

So to answer your question, it was not reported to the police. It was my co-workers call. He had informed management and since there was no proof the dad was involved (no pictoral proof) other than the folder name, which who to say this girls BF doesn't make her call him that or something. The computer's login account was apparently in her name as well (which I can't confirm) so most likely this was the best course of action. Had my co-worker gone any further and reported to the police, he could have potentially lost his job, and not been able to support his wife and 2 kids, plus created a shit storm for this possibly innocent man. I told him I would support any decision he made, and he seems at peace with it.