The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[Ancient Astronaught]

So Fever606 mentioned he might be willing to let his 90's reissue OD120 (MV) go..... he's local and a really cool guy.... but the question then arises if its worthwhile to persue. I'm kinda up in the air with if it would be better then the VB-2. I like the cleans and the FX loop on the VB-2, the OD is half the watts but definitely has more character and with the MV I should be able to get usable cleans out of it, my big question is how well the FX loop works. Reading some posts at the orange forum it seems to do fine with digital effects in the loops (which both my pedals are) but it doesnt like analog devices.

[nightterrors]

The MV situation with my Mat actually makes it so I can't crank it on bass without it being "somewhat" dirty,
Hell, if I really wanted to I could get rid of any fuzz/dirt pedal I have and use pure amp gain from the mat.
thats why I got the OR120 (You know this already, haha.)
but the OR takes pedals a lot better then the Mat, which the 90's OD's were made by MATAMP, so I don't know. I get the feeling that my Mat is a lot like a 90's reissue OD. My buddy has one, he really digs it.

I really need to get some clips for you dudes, I've been using the Mat through the 215, and the OR120 through an 810, the OR running clean and real bassy, the Mat pretty well dimed with the gain high, they compliment each other so well.


I don't know if you're playing bass or guitar through it though, guitar would be loud as frig!


off topic but...

another set up I'm really into lately... (on bass)

68' Marshall Major through the 810, and 70's acoustic 450 through the 412... maaaaaaaaaaan

[Ancient Astronaught]

It would be guitar mostly, probably throw some 12AU7's in the preamp to clean it up a bit. But I don't think it would be that loud to me, i've had numerous 120w heads before and nothing is as god awful loud as the VB-2 is. 225 watts of EL34 fury that's noticeably louder then even my 200w Dunwich (in its defense thats due to its uber clean natured preamp, which is the best sounding preamp I've EVER used, EVER!!!)

[new05002]

the Orange/Matamp loop is pretty much crap for anything but the tube reverbs or something comparable. The problem is that the output impedance is large (~100k) and the signal level is amp level. You could potentially use it if you had a device to first bring down the level, then drop the impedance using a buffer, then on the end of your effects up the gain back to be comparable to the amp signal

[new05002]

It would be guitar mostly, probably throw some 12AU7's in the preamp to clean it up a bit. But I don't think it would be that loud to me, i've had numerous 120w heads before and nothing is as god awful loud as the VB-2 is. 225 watts of EL34 fury that's noticeably louder then even my 200w Dunwich (in its defense thats due to its uber clean natured preamp, which is the best sounding preamp I've EVER used, EVER!!!)

You can use 12au7 in V1 to really drop the gain down and clean the amp up. Of course it wont push as hard as either of your current rigs but that may or may not be bad/good.

[Ancient Astronaught]

the Orange/Matamp loop is pretty much crap for anything but the tube reverbs or something comparable. The problem is that the output impedance is large (~100k) and the signal level is amp level..

That wouldn't be a problem for the Space, it has input / output selectors for high / low impedance. As far as the timeline I'm not sure but its handled everything else I've ever thrown at it..... I've also read that its parallel not series, which is kind of concerning. I've only ever really used serial loops.

You can use 12au7 in V1 to really drop the gain down and clean the amp up. Of course it wont push as hard as either of your current rigs but that may or may not be bad/good.

In Drop Electric the loudest I turn the VB-2 up to even at out door venues its gain 3 and master 6, at that point its blaringly loud through my 260w cab. A 120w head would allow me to turn up and get more power amp tube warmth without busting out any ear drums.


All of this really relies on that I have something that he wants. I'm just trying to decide if its worth persuing or not before PM'ing him.

[nightterrors]

It would be guitar mostly, probably throw some 12AU7's in the preamp to clean it up a bit. But I don't think it would be that loud to me, i've had numerous 120w heads before and nothing is as god awful loud as the VB-2 is. 225 watts of EL34 fury that's noticeably louder then even my 200w Dunwich (in its defense thats due to its uber clean natured preamp, which is the best sounding preamp I've EVER used, EVER!!!)

On guitar it would totally work for cleans man!

The OR is WAY loud on guitar when I tried it out,
It's almost scary. Haha.
Same with the Green, that was with a full stack, though.

If you can get it for a good price, rock it!
My buddy was going to sell his to get a 72' pix only... When he got the pix only he couldn't decide what he liked more so he kept both haha. He's a total gearsnob too.

[new05002]

it is parallel with fixed mixing ratio (equal wet and dry). The signal level at that node is possibly very large, depends on if you are putting the phase inverter into grid limiting current.

[Ancient Astronaught]

On guitar it would totally work for cleans man!

The OR is WAY loud on guitar when I tried it out,
It's almost scary. Haha.
Same with the Green, that was with a full stack, though.

If you can get it for a good price, rock it!
My buddy was going to sell his to get a 72' pix only... When he got the pix only he couldn't decide what he liked more so he kept both haha. He's a total gearsnob too.

This makes me wish I was still playing in a Doom band.... But then again I probably would have just kept my AD200B if I was and I wouldnt be in this predicament.

Guh, a reissue and a pix only would be nice to run in stereo with a sick BMP in front of it.

it is parallel with fixed mixing ratio (equal wet and dry). The signal level at that node is possibly very large, depends on if you are putting the phase inverter into grid limiting current.

That..... that won't work for me.... most of my mix levels for delay are around or above 75%, with my swell delays at 100%.

[LOCOPELAND]

Listening to the new Ghost B.C. album. Never really been into these guys, but these first couple songs are pretty cool.

[samzadgan]

Listening to the new Ghost B.C. album. Never really been into these guys, but these first couple songs are pretty cool.

i havent heard the new one...but their first album was really good. there's a new Papa Emeritus (singer) on the new album right?

[AngryGoldfish]

Are these not two of the nicest looking SG-type guitars?

[LOCOPELAND]

Listening to the new Ghost B.C. album. Never really been into these guys, but these first couple songs are pretty cool.

i havent heard the new one...but their first album was really good. there's a new Papa Emeritus (singer) on the new album right?

You got me, man. Never really gotten past the few songs I'd heard before this album. If there is a new singer, I'm totally oblivious.

[samzadgan]

Are these not two of the nicest looking SG-type guitars?

i like the burst, especially as its a tear drop burst...i hate the newer style burst which has the dark around the edges.

[ryan summit]

yeah that first one
damn near perfect