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I thought some of you smarties might enjoy this... :cool:

I know how they can survive but I want comments first...

From the NY TIMES...
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By JANET MORRISSEY
Published: September 29, 2012

IN 1948, a radio repairman named Leo Fender took a piece of ash, bolted on a length of maple and attached an electronic transducer.

You know the rest, even if you don’t know you know the rest.

You’ve heard it — in the guitar riffs of Buddy Holly, Jimi Hendrix, George Harrison, Keith Richards, Eric Clapton, Pete Townshend, Bruce Springsteen, Mark Knopfler, Kurt Cobain and on and on.

It’s the sound of a Fender electric guitar. Mr. Fender’s company, now known as the Fender Musical Instruments Corporation, is the world’s largest maker of guitars. Its Stratocaster, which made its debut in 1954, is still a top seller. For many, the Strat’s cutting tone and sexy, double-cutaway curves mean rock ’n’ roll.

But this heart of rock isn’t beating quite the way it once did. Like many other American manufacturers, Fender is struggling to hold on to what it’s got in a tight economy. Sales and profits are down this year. A Strat, after all, is what economists call a consumer discretionary item — a nonessential.

More than macroeconomics, however, is at work here. Fender, based in Scottsdale, Ariz., is also being buffeted by powerful forces on Wall Street.

A private investment firm, Weston Presidio, controls nearly half of the company and has been looking for an exit. It pushed to take Fender public in March, to howls in the guitar-o-sphere that Fender was selling out. But, to Fender’s embarrassment, investors balked. They were worried about the lofty price and, even more, about how Fender can keep growing.

And that, really, is the crux of the matter. Times have changed, and so has music. In the 1950s, ’60s and ’70s, electric guitars powered rock and pop. Today, turntable rigs, drum machines and sampler synthesizers drive music like hip-hop. Electric guitars, huge as they are, have lost some of their old magic in this era of Jay-Z, Kanye West and “The Voice.”

Games like Guitar Hero have helped underpin sales, but teenagers who once might have hankered after guitars now get by making music on laptops. It’s worth remembering that the accordion was once the most popular instrument in America.

Granted, Fender is such a powerful brand that it can ride out the lean times. But sales of all kinds of musical instruments plunged during the recession, and they still haven’t recovered fully. Sales of all instruments in the United States totaled $6.5 billion last year, down roughly 13 percent from their peak in 2005, according to Music Trades, which tracks the industry.

Many of the guitars that are selling these days are cheap ones made in places like China — ones that cost a small fraction of, say, a $1,599 Fender Artist “Eric Clapton” Strat. Fender has been making its own lines of inexpensive guitars overseas for years, but the question is how the company can keep growing and compete profitably in a fast-moving, global marketplace. Its margins are already under pressure.

“What possible niche is left unexploited by Fender?” asks Jeffrey Bronchick, founder of Cove Street Capital, an investment advisory firm in El Segundo, Calif., and the owner of some 40 guitars, including four Fenders.

Another big player on the American music scene, Guitar Center, has already had financial strains. Like Fender, Guitar Center, the world’s largest chain of instrument retailers, is also involved with private equity. It’s controlled by Bain Capital, Mitt Romney’s old firm.

Analysts say Guitar Center is crucial to Fender, accounting for roughly a sixth of Fender’s sales — and the ties between the two run deep. Fender’s chief executive, Larry Thomas, used to be the chief of Guitar Center. He sold the company to Bain at the top of the market in 2007 for $2.1 billion, including debt.

Guitar Center has been losing money since. Moody’s issued a junk rating of B2 on Guitar Center’s debt in October 2007, and has since downgraded the company two more times, most recently in November 2010, to Caa1.

THE change in American music is evident on West 48th Street — the “Music Row” of Manhattan. The block just east of Times Square was once home to dozens of music stores, practice studios and instrument repair shops. It was the place to go to buy a Fender in New York.

Now Music Row is being hollowed out by high rents and competition on the Web. Even Sam Ash, which has been there since the 1920s, is moving to West 34th Street.

Fender, too, has had to contend with changing tastes and markets. Once it looked like the Pan Am of guitars, a storied name that might simply vanish. Leo Fender sold his company to CBS for $13 million in 1965, but Fender struggled in the ensuing years to maintain its identity inside a big corporation. Analysts said that Fender, under pressure to meet quarterly earnings numbers, made a series of cost cuts that caused quality to suffer and sales to nosedive.

Yamaha of Japan, meanwhile, began grabbing market share with inexpensive, high-quality guitars. In 1980, the problems came to a head when Fender posted a $10 million loss on only $40 million in sales.

“In 1970, nobody wanted a Yamaha musical instrument, but by 1980 they were beginning to dominate, along with many other Japanese companies,” says Bill Mendello, the former chief of Fender and today a member of its board. “And they were, frankly, better made and a lot cheaper than U.S. manufacturing.”

In the 1980s, Mr. Mendello, then a top executive in CBS’s musical instruments division, and Bill Shultz, then president of Fender, developed a plan to save Fender. To make it happen, they had to take on William S. Paley, the feared head of CBS. Their plan called for CBS to invest heavily — about $50 million over five years — in Fender and to revamp marketing. Mr. Paley signed off.

But three years into the plan, Mr. Paley was out and new management decided to sell the music division. With Fender losing money, there were few buyers. CBS considered liquidating the company. Instead, Mr. Schultz and Mr. Mendello engineered a $12.5 million leveraged buyout. Before long, Fender was back in the black.

Fender gradually clawed its way back up in the ’80s and ’90s, beefing up quality, training and oversight, and, for the first time, starting to manufacture guitars internationally, especially in Japan and South Korea. Restoring quality was crucial, Mr. Mendello says. Artists like Mr. Clapton, who had modified his Strat “Blackie,” were impressed with Fender’s craftsmanship. Leo Fender died in 1991 at the age of 82; in 2001, Weston swooped in, buying a 43 percent stake of Fender for $58 million.

Mr. Mendello says the recent recession was tougher on Fender than past downturns.

“Fender and the whole music industry got hit pretty hard,” he says. “People were afraid to buy anything or do anything. They didn’t know if they’d have a job.”

Many in the industry praise Fender for branching out into other areas, including making and selling steel-string acoustic guitars and cutting deals with various other brands like Gretsch guitars and drums and Sabian cymbals. But one of the biggest competitors for new Fender guitars is old Fender guitars. Many players believe — rightly or wrongly — that the Fenders of the 1950s, the ’60s and even the ’70s, when analysts say quality suffered, have a special something. A vintage Fender won’t make a novice sound like a Hendrix. But many pros say that at their level, the equipment matters. Prices of vintage Fenders have soared accordingly.

Rick Barrio Dill, the bassist for the soul and rock band Vintage Trouble, was frantic when his customized Fender Reissue Precision bass guitar was stolen while his group was touring with the Cranberries last May. Playing another brand was out of the question.

“It put a feeling in my stomach like someone had just died — I was a complete wreck,” Mr. Dill remembers.

He alerted his fans via Twitter, and before long the story reached the Gibson Guitar Corporation, Fender’s big competitor, which offered a replacement. Mr. Dill turned it down. Then Fender made a similar offer — and Mr. Dill pounced.

“I kind of bleed Fender,” he says.

He, too, is chasing vintage Fenders. He bought a 1969 Tobacco Sunburst Fender Jazz Bass in 1999 for $1,200 and sold it four years later for $2,500. “I’m trying to buy the exact bass now, and it’s selling for $6,500 or $7,000,” he says.

DUFF McKAGAN, the former bassist for Guns N’ Roses and Velvet Revolver, grew up listening to Led Zeppelin, Aerosmith and the Clash. He used to drop by the Guitar Center branch on Hollywood’s Sunset Strip, when that company was independent, and dream about buying a Fender bass.

“I’m sure they got sick and tired of me coming in,” Mr. McKagan says. He still plays the 1985 Fender Jazz Special he bought after Guns N’ Roses landed its first record deal.

He can attest to the durability of Fenders. Once he tried to imitate Paul Simonon of the Clash by smashing his bass at the end of a show.

“I took a full swing and brought it down on this metal grate stage — and nothing happened,” Mr. McKagan recalls. After 20 or so tries, one shard of wood came loose. “That was enough for me,” he says, adding that he never tried to smash a Fender again.

Such testimonials aside, the question is where Fender will go from here. It has been hurt by the economic slump in Europe, a region that accounts for 27 percent of net sales, and the situation there could hang over Fender for years.

The company has also been criticized by Wall Street analysts for acquiring the Kaman Music Corporation, a distributor of musical instruments and accessories, in 2008 for $117 million. The company, which it renamed KMC Music, is a low-margin business and has squeezed Fender’s overall profit margins.

Fender filed to go public in an initial stock offering in March, in a deal that would have valued the company at as much as $396 million. That is a pittance by Facebook standards. But the price was high for a company of Fender’s size.

Bankers and investors scoffed. Fender, they said, was trying to go public as a “growth” company when its sales were declining.

“It made no sense,” says Arnold Ursaner, president of CJS Securities in White Plains.

The talk on Wall Street was that Weston Presidio was pushing to sell at a high price. Weston executives declined to comment.

“They saw a window and said let’s try to hit it and maybe no one will pay attention to the negative sales trends,” Mr. Ursaner says. “It was banking at its worst.”

In documents filed in connection with the proposed initial public offering, Fender outlined avenues that it contended would bolster growth, such as sales to emerging markets like China and India, the addition of more licensing and co-branding deals, and strategic acquisitions.

Mr. Bronchick, the analyst, speculates that investment bankers didn’t wanted to take the offer at such a high valuation.

“Nobody wants to be embarrassed like Facebook,” he says.

AT Fender, Mr. Mendello doesn’t rule out a future public offering. Fender might try again sooner rather than later, because about $237 million of its $246 million in long-term debt will be due in 2014.

Mr. Mendello, who owns 4.8 percent of Fender, says he isn’t looking to cash out personally. Neither are the company’s other shareholders, he says.

“I love Fender — it’s the greatest company in the world,” he says. “We’re here for the long-term, and we’re going to do what’s right for Fender.”
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“What possible niche is left unexploited by Fender?” asks Jeffrey Bronchick

How about some DAMN MATCHING HEADSTOCKS
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Not sure they know what they're talking about.

Not sure I know what I'm talking about.

Despite all their acquisitions, Fender has more competition today than they're ever had.
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Achtane wrote:
“What possible niche is left unexploited by Fender?” asks Jeffrey Bronchick

How about some DAMN MATCHING HEADSTOCKS
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“What possible niche is left unexploited by Fender?” asks Jeffrey Bronchick

How about some DAMN MATCHING HEADSTOCKS
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Fender will find a way to carry on. They may have to change their business model, the instruments quality may change, but the name isn't going anywhere.
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fender needs to be knocked down a peg.
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I honestly feel like Squier will be Fender's new hope. The quality of their Squier lines has matched and sometimes exceeded Fender, at a fraction of the price. Yes, there are some things that bug all of us with Squier stuff, but really, a TRUE Jazzmaster for under $300? I think we're on to something folks.

I think what would be really neat/not sure if it would be entirely possible, but really it doesn't seem like it would be very hard-

Mix and match guitars. You've got all the standard parts in a warehouse, just route a few more styles of pickguards for each type of guitar and let the users choose/customize their guitar for a small fee
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skullservant wrote:I think what would be really neat/not sure if it would be entirely possible, but really it doesn't seem like it would be very hard-

Mix and match guitars. You've got all the standard parts in a warehouse, just route a few more styles of pickguards for each type of guitar and let the users choose/customize their guitar for a small fee


Not hard, skullservant, just labor intensive.

I think the amount they'd have to charge for the "small fee" to make it worth it for them may not really make it feasible.

Also, probably too many headaches from customers.
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I think if they routed a line of their bodies with the 'bathtub' routing method so you could drop any sort of pickup you wanted into it and marketed it to modifiers and luthiers that would be something! Just something that has flexibility for all the modders out there like myself. Its a real pain to route a guitar and mess it up to drop larger pickups in. I think it would be AWESOME if they made even a small number of pickguards that were routed for different pickups with the bathtub routing

I do agree with the labor intensive part though. I think they are on to something with the pawn shop series, however.
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skullservant wrote:I honestly feel like Squier will be Fender's new hope. The quality of their Squier lines has matched and sometimes exceeded Fender, at a fraction of the price. Yes, there are some things that bug all of us with Squier stuff, but really, a TRUE Jazzmaster for under $300? I think we're on to something folks.

I think what would be really neat/not sure if it would be entirely possible, but really it doesn't seem like it would be very hard-

Mix and match guitars. You've got all the standard parts in a warehouse, just route a few more styles of pickguards for each type of guitar and let the users choose/customize their guitar for a small fee

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I may be completely off the mark here, but part of the issue may be the"new" business school method of only the bottom line matters. Without getting into the merits of either outlook, I think a "the final product and customer satisfaction are all that Matter may be what's needed...or maybe the market isn't ready for that just yet. I flunked econ 101 cut me some slack :idk:
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jwar wrote:Fender sucks.


Shit man, you should probably tell Hendrix.


I fucking love Fender guitars and frankly, nothing else sounds quite like them. I'll be using my strat and tele forever.
I'll also play a 12-string Rick and a Les Paul forever, but my heart <3s Fenders, yo.
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This is sorta related:

http://www.nytimes.com/2012/09/12/busin ... .html?_r=0


Ben Sisario wrote:The music industry’s latest gold rush is over dance music, which lures tens of thousands of fans to festivals and dominates pop radio.

But to Seth Goldstein, a technology entrepreneur who was one of the creators of Turntable.fm, last year’s hot music start-up, the dance world is missing something essential: an online hub for mainstream fans, gathering news, music and videos from all the corners of the Internet. He compares the idea to MTV in the 1980s, which created a broad mainstream audience for music videos, thus drawing advertisers.

“MTV was nominally about Duran Duran and Run-DMC,” Mr. Goldstein said in an interview. “But really it was about reaching suburban Jewish kids outside Boston like me who wanted to be them. What they did so well was to sell that audience to advertisers at scale.”

With his new company, DJZ, Mr. Goldstein wants to fill this gap. On Halloween, it plans to introduce a Web site, mobile app and YouTube channel that will aggregate news and media on electronic dance music — also known as E.D.M. — and package it with colorful design and an attitude celebrating top D.J.’s as cultural heroes.

If successful, the company could capitalize on a rapidly expanding audience. But DJZ is entering a market crowded with other corporate powers, like Live Nation Entertainment and SFX Entertainment, that are also going after what until recently has been an independent and self-sufficient subculture.

The problem for fans of E.D.M., as Mr. Goldstein and his business partners see it, is not a lack of information and media about their favorite acts. Rather, there has been a noisy abundance of it, scattered across countless Web sites, YouTube channels, Twitter feeds and apps.

“Electronic music is fragmented in a way that other genres of music aren’t fragmented,” said Troy Carter, the tech-minded manager of Lady Gaga, who is one of DJZ’s investors. “Within three clicks, you can find out everything you need to know about pop. But electronic music is not well curated. To find out about events or get recommendations, it’s not easy.”

DJZ (pronounced D.J.’s) has raised $1 million in seed money, Mr. Goldstein said. In addition to Mr. Carter and his company, Atom Factory, the investors are Kleiner Perkins Caufield & Byers, Index Ventures, Google Ventures, True Ventures and Shari E. Redstone’s Advancit Capital. Among its advisers are top D.J.’s like Paul Oakenfold and DJ Shadow.

The plan for DJZ is to be something like dance music’s combination of The Huffington Post and MTV: a daily destination for as broad an audience as possible, well stocked with entertaining media and, eventually, ads. In its Web incarnation, the site’s main page features a grid of cartoonish avatars of big D.J.’s like Skrillex and Deadmau5, along with news feeds, songs, tutorials and fan-friendly features like a guide to making a version of Deadmau5’s signature mouse-shaped headgear.

Users can choose a “D.J. name” for their identity on the site. Ms. Redstone, the 58-year-old president of National Amusements and daughter of the media mogul Sumner M. Redstone, has already picked hers: DJ Theatrix. (“I don’t want to date myself, but I grew up with this music,” she said. “It’s been around forever.”)

The company’s name is also a play on words referring to Generation Z, its intended market, whose members were born in the 1990s and are immersed in social networks. As Mr. Goldstein sees it, they are the ones watching YouTube videos by the tens of millions but who cannot afford a trip to the big festivals like Coachella or Electric Daisy Carnival.

“Having a destination online for Gen Z to come and consume and share info in a space they were already working within will be really special,” Mr. Oakenfold said in a statement.

Online, individual artists and properties can draw enormous online followings: the Ultra label, for example, has had 1.8 billion views on its YouTube page. Yet while plenty of online magazines and blogs serve the dance audience, their audiences are relatively small.

Resident Advisor, one of the genre’s online magazines, says it reaches one million readers, but according to the Internet measurement service comScore, over the last six months it has drawn an average of 114,000 visitors a month in the United States; another news site, Dancing Astronaut, has had an average of 44,000 in that time. By comparison, the indie-rock site Pitchfork draws nearly one million visitors each month, and Rolling Stone three million, according to comScore.

Jason Bentley, the music director of KCRW, a public radio station in Santa Monica, Calif., said this was partly a result of the music’s existing press continuing to address a connoisseur audience as the genre crossed over to pop.

“Maybe the scene is having a bit of an identity crisis,” Mr. Bentley said. “Because all of these people worked so hard for the sake of the credibility of dance music, and now, in a matter of a couple of years, it’s blown the doors off. Maybe those people are a bit reluctant to see it all the way to the pop side for fear of alienating their core fans.”

DJZ is not the only company that wants to build a large marketing audience out of the disparate strands of E.D.M.’s festivals and online media. Sponsorship and audience aggregation have been a critical piece of Live Nation’s strategy for years. And when Robert F. X. Sillerman of SFX returned to the concert business this year after an absence of a decade, he said he would spend up to $1 billion buying promoters and figuring out how to market to dance audiences after they leave the festival and wash off their neon body paint.

Another question for Mr. Goldstein and his investors is whether DJZ can escape the fate of Turntable.fm, a gamelike social listening service, which lost momentum after making a big splash.

For Mr. Goldstein, success for DJZ will depend on offering young dance-music fans something easily consumable yet with enough integrity to get them coming back for more.

“I just think it’s a mess out there,” he said, “and there’s a way to make it easier and more enjoyable without making it Cliff Notes.”
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