Esoterics // Superstition

[alexa.]

^Tnx guys. The question that skeptics mostly ask in these sort of situation is more akin to sth like:
A: "Hey, I ate a fruit, it tastes like pineapple."
B: "Prove it. But I'm not gonna taste it."
Doesn't really work. Redefining our logic and point of view is necessary for growth. You can't escape getting dirty in the quest for knowledge.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XFnGhrC_3Gs[/youtube]

And this is one amazing person. Stumbled upon this vid this morning. Just... beautiful. ^^ <3

[Derelict78]

I should also mention that you can find a lot of Crowley's books as pdfs online
http://hermetic.com/crowley/books/#title
if your into tarot check out the book of Thoth.

[rfurtkamp]

Wouldn't generally recommend Thoth to general tarot interest; it's done to explain the universe within the framework of the cards rather than as a normal divinatory tool.

Don't get me wrong, I love Crowley, a couple things I've written have ended up on hermetic.com over the years, etc.

For the purposes of this thread though, hard to say I'm afraid to tell anyone anything when I've been an open practicing magician, Luciferian Christian (think Blake mixed with Crowley and you've got my ballpark), and general bad dude in the middle of nowhere in Idaho for fifteen yearsa now.

And I don't bother trying to convince skeptics of magick, it's just not worth anyone's time.

Pour acid on some, nurture others, and go about your day!

[Derelict78]

I found that the book of thoth to be a pretty fun read and it also helps with the understanding of individual cards.
also Understanding Aleister Crowley's Thoth Tarot by Lon Milo DuQuette is a great read.

[jfrey]

I have a question for the thread. What myth, or legend, or superstition, etc. that we know isn't real, do you wish was?

[rfurtkamp]

Never been a DuQuette fan, and I'm not an organizational hater. Thoth is pretty much self-explanatory if you've got the basic canon down.

As far as what I wish was real, I wish the myth of the Holy Grail was literally real, as in the amazing healing cup of Jesus Tapdancing Christ etc.

I'll have to settle for symbolism and metaphysics.

[Big Mon]

I wish Pan existed. Also, Cernunnos the Celtic stag god. Dudes with horns that aren;t entirely malicious are cool

[D.o.S.]

Oswald killing JFK.

[D.o.S.]

Too soon?

[bigchiefbc]

I have a question for the thread. What myth, or legend, or superstition, etc. that we know isn't real, do you wish was?

Fountain of Youth

[alexa.]

I have a question for the thread. What myth, or legend, or superstition, etc. that we know isn't real, do you wish was?

Fountain of Youth

http://oglaf.com/fountain-of-doubt/

[gunslinger_burrito]

The Thoth Tarot is something I'd love to learn more about. So many people I've met seem to be really into it. After learning so much about the Restored Tarot of Marseilles, though, not many other Tarots do anything for me. It's symbolism is too complete and interconnected, and it predates all the popular decks like the Rider-Waite, which are full of erroneous symbolism. Folks like Eliphas Levi are to blame for the addition of Kabbalistic symbolism. Plus, I'm tired of looking at most modern Tarot artwork and seeing the same cliches everywhere. A lot of modern decks reek of repressed goth kids and witches/wiccans of the white-light, crystal ball variety. I rarely see what appears to be in-depth symbolism, and rarer still do I see interesting or good artwork. Gripes, oh well.

Picking a myth to be real is a tough one, because so many of them have drawbacks that I'm happy to do without on a day to day basis. I think having the astral realm would be cool. I could get into some Dr.Strange shit that way:
http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_DSs2bX13hVc/S ... planes.jpg

[alexa.]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hKiUaqBCOJU[/youtube]

This is rather.. interesting O_o

[Derelict78]

Folks like Eliphas Levi are to blame for the addition of Kabbalistic symbolism.

Im not sure but it seems that tarot cards may have origins in Kabbala. 22 letters in the hebrew alphabet 22 trumps. 10 points on the tree of life 10 cards for each suit.

[gunslinger_burrito]

There are some bits and pieces of Kabbalah in the Tarot of Marseilles even, but the majority of Kabbalah and (I'm pretty sure, but not 100% positive) ALL Egyptian themes were added over time. Personally, I don't care for decks that use too much Kabbalah or are too heavy on one kind of theme. I feel like the more archetypal the ideas in a deck are, the better readings you can get. I use the restored Marseilles deck because it's the most "original" and because of it's incredible connectivity. But anyone can use any deck they wish, if it works for them. Any time someone authors a new deck, they are imparting their own ideas into it. It's a bit important to take that into account, I think. I don't remember if I said this already (because there's been a lot, admittedly), but for the record, I don't believe that the Tarot is any kind of fortune-telling or divinatory device. I use Jodorowsky's method, in which it becomes a mirror, a tool for introspection and alternate perspectives.

This guy was the first to change things, really. It doesn't seem entirely intentional, either. Note that he didn't get an egyptian expert or even try to find any evidence.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Co ... C3%A9belin

Some bits about the restored Marseilles deck:
http://en.camoin.com/tarot/-Work-Restor ... arot-.html