Orri leaves Sigur Ros over sexual misconduct allegation

[PuddysJacket]

Regardless, this public outing without evidence is a problem.

You're a misogynist and empowering rapists

[goroth]

Hey Pud, are you trolling or do you actually believe what you are writing?

[Jwar]

Men are not the issue and men are not pigs. Some men are, not all. There are good people out there. Humans are just inherently flawed and often times evil. It’s a human issue, not a man or woman issue. Powerful men tend to abuse their powers though and that is not to be taken lightly. That also is not all men though.

What happened here and what is constantly happening to our sisters, mothers, daughters, friend, neighbors is a travesty and as men we need to unite and fight it instead of just talking poorly about each other.

I for one am getting involved on a different level than some will but action needs to be taken and the world needs to be held accountable.

[rustywire]

I've seen the light at the end of this dark tunnel.
MORE weaponizing identity in the exhausting routine of being loudest and most obnoxious seeing who can peacock their casual enemy identity-based-hate and loyalty to whichever party radicalized you FIRE UP THE FALSE EQUIVALENCY MADLIB MACHINE AND POUR THE WINE ITS SLAVE TO EMOTION TIME

[PuddysJacket]

Hey Pud, are you trolling or do you actually believe what you are writing?

Believing in due process is trolling?

[rustywire]

i find it, erm, interesting that peoples' views on #MeToo often depend on whether or not the ox that's being gored is important to them personally. nobody but elderly black people cared about Cosby because he hasn't been relevant since that (NAACP?) speech, but if it's Louis C.K. or Orri suddenly it's all "#notallmen." the Sigur Ros subreddit is absolutely disgusting with people hating on Orri's accuser.

...and if it's Asia Argento?

The sentiment "I believe all accusers" carries an unstated asterisk: unless the accused is me or someone I care deeply for.
Every good mother will be inclined to believe her son's word over a stranger's. Fandoms are that same sentiment amplified, distorted. Try to find one that isn't full of toxic behavior among the faithful, who in their mind(s) are well-meaning, too and "righteous in their pursuit" of whatever

[Benn Roe]

Who cares right? Lives ruined. Fuck em. They're men, so they can't be 100% innocent. By default they've hurt a woman somewhere along the line.

People having their lives ruined sucks, regardless of their gender. There's no question. But when you don't believe women, you exacerbate a problem with 20 times more victims than the problem you're concerned about. Mind you, believing women doesn't have to mean making death threats directed at the accused, but that doesn't change the fact that they need to be believed for us to ever have a chance at making a dent in this epidemic. Nobody is saying there aren't people who make false accusations. But they are fucking rare, and unfortunately a few men ending up falsely accused is the price we have to pay to make sure more men who are rapists end up facing justice. There has been a poisonous culture of emboldened sexual predators for all of human history, and until people start believing women, we'll continue to live in that shitty world.

What you're saying makes sense within the dispassionate confines of a court of law. Let juries presume innocence, let defense lawyers force survivors to relive their experiences in horrifying detail, and how about everyone else tries to be a decent fucking human and just believes them without conditions?

[Benn Roe]

And why was "false" in quotes in your last post?

Because lots of so-called false accusations are real accusations where the accuser was intimidated into recanting.

[Benn Roe]

Regardless, this public outing without evidence is a problem.

No, it isn't. There's rarely useable evidence in cases of sexual assault. Does that mean rapists should be allowed to just carry on with their lives? The problem is people refusing to believe that their friend, family member, or idol is capable of the heinous shit that men keep perpetrating.

[PuddysJacket]

Who cares right? Lives ruined. Fuck em. They're men, so they can't be 100% innocent. By default they've hurt a woman somewhere along the line.

People having their lives ruined sucks, regardless of their gender. There's no question. But when you don't believe women, you exacerbate a problem with 20 times more victims than the problem you're concerned about. Mind you, believing women doesn't have to mean making death threats directed at the accused, but that doesn't change the fact that they need to be believed for us to ever have a chance at making a dent in this epidemic. Nobody is saying there aren't people who make false accusations. But they are fucking rare, and unfortunately a few men ending up falsely accused is the price we have to pay to make sure more men who are rapists end up facing justice. There has been a poisonous culture of emboldened sexual predators for all of human history, and until people start believing women, we'll continue to live in that shitty world.

What you're saying makes sense within the dispassionate confines of a court of law. Let juries presume innocence, let defense lawyers force survivors to relive their experiences in horrifying detail, and how about everyone else tries to be a decent fucking human and just believes them without conditions?

Believe women? All women? No matter what?

This is not only naive, but dangerous.

[PuddysJacket]

Believe......Asia Argento

[frodog]

It's the kind of thing that's tempting to voice an opinion on, but then you remember it's the internet and you don't know the people or the situation in question and you don't.

[Benn Roe]

Believe women? All women? No matter what?

This is not only naive, but dangerous.

No. Believe all women by default. It's not nearly as naive or dangerous as not believing them, and thereby fostering a culture that inherently protects sexual predators. I think we've demonstrated the math on that a few times already.

[PuddysJacket]

The irony isn't lost on me that a lot of these folks saying "believe women" had no problem casting their vote for Hillary Clinton. Where was all this grandstanding and virtue signaling back then? When you had absolutely no qualms putting your faith into someone that made a career out of dragging victims through the mud?

And before I get jumped - no, I'm not a republican.

[rustywire]

Who cares right? Lives ruined. Fuck em. They're men, so they can't be 100% innocent. By default they've hurt a woman somewhere along the line.

People having their lives ruined sucks, regardless of their gender. There's no question. But when you don't believe women, you exacerbate a problem with 20 times more victims than the problem you're concerned about. Mind you, believing women doesn't have to mean making death threats directed at the accused, but that doesn't change the fact that they need to be believed for us to ever have a chance at making a dent in this epidemic. Nobody is saying there aren't people who make false accusations. But they are fucking rare, and unfortunately a few men ending up falsely accused is the price we have to pay to make sure more men who are rapists end up facing justice. There has been a poisonous culture of emboldened sexual predators for all of human history, and until people start believing women, we'll continue to live in that shitty world.

What you're saying makes sense within the dispassionate confines of a court of law. Let juries presume innocence, let defense lawyers force survivors to relive their experiences in horrifying detail, and how about everyone else tries to be a decent fucking human and just believes them without conditions?

When you're that man falsely accused, or it's your father, your son, your brother etc...what then?

OK. Assuming false accusations make up such a small part of overall accusations, the default response for a social justice minded activist would be to defend the human rights of (an extreme) minority vulnerable in extreme circumstances when the power structure is so overwhelmingly titled against them, yeah? Individuals are not math, not statistics to be judged by the average. That sort of dystopian thinking is what enables and emboldens the Pol Pots to commit crimes against humanity while making plans for you (and me).