"FUCK YOU ALL" -Velvet Hammer (Re-Hollywood sucks)

[jrfox92]

You're a little bitch with a dirty diaper who stalks me from thread-to-thread.

Posting in two threads (among countless others) is stalking now?
Dude. You should see someone about that martyr complex.

[Jwar]

Echorec,

2) I think you lost your message during your hissy fit.

2) You have valid points about accusations do not equal guilt. Though there are some cases where there is smoke there is probably fire (Weinstein, Cosby, Spacey).

2) You have mentioned several times about how you hate this board for a number of generalities pointed at a few people but applied to everyone. If you hate this place then why are you still here?

2) Is there something going on in your life that is causing you to lash out here? Not just in this thread but others. Do you need a hug?

Honestly I understand his frustration. He got upset about something in his thread and instead of just letting it go, people were ganging up on him, which is stupid. It happens all the time here. Was he right with what he said initially? No. Does that matter? No.

This whole board has taken a turn lately where it's ok to treat each other like complete and utter shit as long as enough people agree with you.

I honestly am starting to hate this place too. I've thought that many times over the last year or two. Ask Jack, we talked about it a bunch at ILFMW.

I need a fucking hug too for sure. I've had one of the worst years of my life and the last thing I want to do is come onto ILF and read someone's post that's being a condescending dick.

Also, none of my rage is directed at you dude. You're cool as fuck.




This thread for sure spiraled out of control and I don't get why. I just don't get it. Rape is something we all agree that's horrible. Sexual assault and other sex crimes we also can agree on.

So, I'm at a loss for why this happened yet again.

[Mudfuzz]

what have i been missing on here?

Things are getting forumatic. And people are starting to act like they were on deviever forum mkiii and not ilf

[waltdogg]

I honestly am starting to hate this place too. I've thought that many times over the last year or two. Ask Jack, we talked about it a bunch at ILFMW.

I need a fucking hug too for sure. I've had one of the worst years of my life and the last thing I want to do is come onto ILF and read someone's post that's being a condescending dick.

why i'm not here most days. i'll lurk but i can't bring myself to post. it's getting toxic. i only ever wanna post on the happiness or spite threads because they're the only places i can find positivity or offer condolences and hope.

[Jwar]

I honestly am starting to hate this place too. I've thought that many times over the last year or two. Ask Jack, we talked about it a bunch at ILFMW.

I need a fucking hug too for sure. I've had one of the worst years of my life and the last thing I want to do is come onto ILF and read someone's post that's being a condescending dick.

why i'm not here most days. i'll lurk but i can't bring myself to post. it's getting toxic. i only ever wanna post on the happiness or spite threads because they're the only places i can find positivity or offer condolences and hope.

Right??? I'm glad I'm not alone.

I will admit, I am a negative bastard a lot of times and I need to be called out for it, but I always apologize to people and I always try to be friends. Some folks just have sticks up their asses and don't seem to care.

[waltdogg]

I honestly am starting to hate this place too. I've thought that many times over the last year or two. Ask Jack, we talked about it a bunch at ILFMW.

I need a fucking hug too for sure. I've had one of the worst years of my life and the last thing I want to do is come onto ILF and read someone's post that's being a condescending dick.

why i'm not here most days. i'll lurk but i can't bring myself to post. it's getting toxic. i only ever wanna post on the happiness or spite threads because they're the only places i can find positivity or offer condolences and hope.

Right??? I'm glad I'm not alone.

I will admit, I am a negative bastard a lot of times and I need to be called out for it, but I always apologize to people and I always try to be friends. Some folks just have sticks up their asses and don't seem to care.

agreed. i'll even stop myself from finishing a post and just x'ing out my ilf tab when i feel i'm going to say something too mean or negative. for a minute i'd be willing to argue. but i don't have the energy to let an outlet cause me anxiety. big reason why i let go of a lot of people and shit in my life that were getting in the way of me growing.

[echorec]

Arguing over fucking rape guys. For fucks sake. Rape is horrible and my entire point in this thread was to have a civilized conversation about how damaging it is to find out some of your hero's are complete pieces of shit. It wasn't to create a whirlwind of self righteous bullshit like every other fucking thread on this goddamn forum.

It's not about rape, though, at all. It's about trial by proxy. People seek out something to be offended by and they attach someone to it, in order to project their own frustrations and feelings of helplessness toward that target. I never said anything in this thread about the legitimacy of the accuser's account. I didn't call anyone a liar or a whore, or someone who was asking for it. ---But you'd think I did with the amount of diarrhea mouth in this thread.

I just feel it's incredibly reckless and intolerable to put words into other people's mouths, or to participate in this lynch mob mentality, where people are guilty until proven otherwise. ---I don't see any controversy in that at all, but for people who want to play social justice warrior, I'm the best they can get. They're mad, they're frustrated, and someone's got to pay-----even if that person also feels that rape is a vile and heinous intrusion on a person's most basic and sacred rights.

[waltdogg]

the way i read the first post of this thread. was more of a "what the fuck?" and being at a loss, rather than "fuck these dudes." and placing blame.

maybe everyone went on a tirade after a few pages. i'm not reading that.

[codetocontra]

Was he right with what he said initially? No. Does that matter? No.

Some people think that matters though, henceforth thread spiral.

I honestly am starting to hate this place too. I've thought that many times over the last year or two. Ask Jack, we talked about it a bunch at ILFMW.

Really, makes me a bit sad to hear.

I need a fucking hug too for sure.

[crochambeau]

This subject transcends confinement to a single thread.

There are so many aspects at play. We have the initial aspect of the tarnished role model, the tainted work or art that had been integral to our formative years. It is loss.

We have increased awareness of unbalanced approaches or complete lack of inclusion across different peoples, in this case based on sexual position or gender - but the underlying argument or position includes EVERYTHING. Everything from race relations and inequality to war to rape to undue suffering. There are traits which are accepted on a societal level that cultivate nonsense. We (and I speak from the vantage point of a white cis-male here) are only beginning to understand and comprehend the scale at which these unbalances lie.

Rape, sexual assault, sexual harassment, abuses, these all branch from that point that we all carry. All of us. I'm not saying all of us are rapists, because obviously not all of us are, but we've come up in an environment that cultivates the loop holes, the gray areas that perpetuate this nonsense. WE ALL CARRY A PART IN THIS. And before you say you're the outlier understand it has been that way from long before us, and it is encouraging that more and more of us are tasking ourselves with its eradication.

That said, because the underlying problem is rooted in US ALL, it become remarkably easy to find a flaw in argument and tear each other apart. We don't need that. We don't need to tear each other apart because the outside world is doing a fine enough job at chewing people up that any attempt any of us exert is puny in comparison.

The most important topic generally takes precedence in a conversation, but hammering that down has been done at the expense of the nuanced topic, that of our personal loss. The raw fact that many things that may very well have pulled myself of someone I love from the precipice of non-existence is now deeply burdened with heinous baggage.

Just so I'm clear: I feel that rapists should be fed feet first into a chipper shredder with just enough ignition issues and linkage slop/slippage that it takes at least a couple hours to get the job done. No mercy/no quarter. BECAUSE of my personal beliefs in the matter it is important to be absolutely sure, otherwise we become the monster.

That said, enough shade has been thrown on say, The Swans, that the body of work is tarnished for me. That is a huge loss. This is the thread about loss, am I right? Not about eviscerating our peers because their terminology didn't fit/clumsiness in communication took force/or they are simply an asshole that needs more perspective - these things are not germane. Our loss is, at least on this thread.

[coldbrightsunlight]

People who are annoyed about the state of the forum, do what I normally do and just don't read any thread that sounds controversial. That way you can only be bored of the gear content but don't have to hate anyone.

[D.o.S.]

Kind of impressive to study women's issues and not have a good grounding on what constitutes rape, but I'm glad you've spent a hot minute being a raging cunt instead of posting shitty ad copy for lame pedals.

I can't trust the opinions of someone who can't successfully number his rants.

Yes, I did fail to renumber my list when I merged two documents. *har-har* I was in a rush to get out the door, because I was having a dinner with a friend. It's too bad, though, that you continue to show how little interest you have in actually respecting other people, if that means having to backtrack unjustifiable personal attacks.

But let's be honest you're a fucking child who wants to play in the sandbox. You think it's more important to show your little ass for your douchy e-buddies like that pusshead JR. I'm trying to get people to look more critically at a serious issue and the culture of this board, when it comes to how it digests these issues. You're just trying to be an ass. ----I guess you want people to comment on that. Congrats, you're still an ass.

You're the guy who came into this thread and said "rape isn't possible without pens in vagina". That was a bad take. I called it a bad take. You had a meltdown.

[D.o.S.]

And, to be honest, for someone who has never participated in this board before you had a Rainman-esque meltdown over the only thread you actually posted in this is a bit rich.

You've never contributed to anything positive on this forum. But please keep talking about how it makes you feel sad when you say "has to be p in V to be rape" and then get piled on for saying something totally ducking stupid. You troglodyte.

[actual]

SAD is hitting this board hard this year.

[D.o.S.]

This rates below sparrow and Witt but above bossman, I think.

But, yes, I'm sure we should all be allowed to say stupid bullshit and be treated as if it isn't.. I'm sure CBS and goroth and rusty and RMA and everyone else who took issue with the dumpster pile of a post deserves paragraphs on how awful we all are, even if not-so-secretly echo is just upset that everyone is shocked that he's posting about non-gear and doing it with the ham handed nuance of a drunken monkey.