gun things and the things they do

[Strange Tales]

Shouldn't be.

There's a laundry list of things that come with this:
Gun Control Issues
Mental Health Issues
Media Issues (so many parts; the most bothersome to me being blacks are criminals that do it, and whites get the "lone wolf, oh he was a nice guy!" treatment)
People that think this is all a lie created by the government. I can't even begin to unpack this one because it's so far beyond any sort of rational thought.

[Disarm D'arcy]

Yeah. Represive policies and prison too, prison too often being a melting pot of vulnerable people, crazy theories and angry hate.

[gnomethrone]

Statistically cheeseburgers and coca cola are larger threats to human life in the US of 'Merica than gun violence. We love shooting each other but not as much as we love clogging our arteries, diabetes, etc. Maybe if we actually valued health as a society we would have a system in place with adequate resources to adress the underlying issues that lead to mass shootings. But I just crushed 2 chili cheese dogs and three cups of coffee for lunch so don't take me as thinking I'm above it. Just an observation. I checked on this thread hoping for more pictures of rad crossbows and am disappoint.

[Mudfuzz]

A big part of the problem is cultural, we are taught that violence is an answer or is at least ok in the right light. Take this shooting everyone freaks out and says what a horrible thing this is but do we say this every time our military collateral damages people? Do we have huge debates on sending troops across the sea to stop "them"? Fuck the dicomomy is in the fucking old testiement "thow shalt not kill" we'll except for those people that are different.... kinda makesmthismthread sort of ironic.. Maybe.. As for crossbows... I'll post stuff as I get the projects going.. And in my defense I really don't have intentions of killing things, or protecting my home? I'm getting back into things arrow more because it's a challenge and it's something good for my eyesight or I could be full of shit

[rfurtkamp]

You want to, that's enough.

#hobbiesareathingyo!

[UglyCasanova]

Statistically cheeseburgers and coca cola are larger threats to human life in the US of 'Merica than gun violence. We love shooting each other but not as much as we love clogging our arteries, diabetes, etc. Maybe if we actually valued health as a society we would have a system in place with adequate resources to adress the underlying issues that lead to mass shootings. But I just crushed 2 chili cheese dogs and three cups of coffee for lunch so don't take me as thinking I'm above it. Just an observation.

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty silly analogy. How is choosing your own diet analogous to being shot by someone else? I get your point (we can't even eat healthy, how are we supposed to figure this shit out), but the lack of relevancy and connection between the two issues baffled me a bit.

At least we can all agree that making "pew pew" sounds with your mouth is cooler than the sound of real guns.

[gnomethrone]

I'm sorry, but that's a pretty silly analogy. How is choosing your own diet analogous to being shot by someone else? I get your point (we can't even eat healthy, how are we supposed to figure this shit out), but the lack of relevancy and connection between the two issues baffled me a bit.

At least we can all agree that making "pew pew" sounds with your mouth is cooler than the sound of real guns.

Don't be sorry, it was a very silly analogy. I had been looking at the list of leading causes of death in the US to see where gun violence falls these days. I guess I see a parralel between not caring for physical well being and unwillingness to address the violence in our culture. I dunno. Not a thesis or anything.

[Invisible Man]

'Leading cause' isn't too helpful when thinking about 'preventable mass death.' Not arguing the point Gnomey...I don't understand why pundits trot that statistic out. The height of a spurious relationship.

[gnomethrone]

For sure, I was just going for a goofy shitpost to have something to do on my lunch break. Probably not the appropriate place. I dunno. Reading too many opinions on either side of the issue has me all I mean I trust my friends who have guns. But so do the friends of people that do horrible things. I have no solutions.

[Invisible Man]

Yeah I know.

And I feel the same way about it. The grey area is immense. You start to think about places where mass shootings aren't de rigueur, and then you see all of the other cultural pathologies pouring out of them...as unhelpful and reductive as it is to say 'wow, I guess everyone is shit,' it seems to be the place you have to land.

Which isn't to say 'give up.' I just mean that I'm distrustful of the facts that come up in every political argument because I have to trust the speaker (rarely do) and I have to trust the framework that produced the statistic (never do). Done enough work on that kind of thing in research that it's taught me that pursuing'facts' as we understand them is a losing game. Better to change attitudes...which is the hardest thing to do. Corny as it is, it only happens in relationships. No one ever changed their mind over a screaming match, yet that's our current rhetorical tenor.

[comesect2.0]

You must not know how to scream.

[Chankgeez]

[repoman]

Guys bro is mad weird

[Invisible Man]

Bro.

[Faldoe]

Coming from a very liberal area - Bay Area, CA - and not having any experience with firearms, its easy to paint broad generalizations about gun owners. As I've opened up and gone beyond my prejudices I used to hold towards guns and gun owners - in particular conservatives - it's important to recognize that many people that own guns and advocate for their right to bear arms are very responsible. I've talked with many conservatives over the last few years and while we definitely don't agree on a lot on many issues, the people I've talked to aren't the types that look at solutions to problems with a gun and are very much in favor of personal responsibility.

I don't mean to say there aren't or can't be liberal gun owners with a similar outlook, it's just that gun ownership is usually viewed as being synonymous with conservatives/republicans .