Raising vegetarian children

[Chankgeez]

I'd call it vegetarian chicken and not worry about any logical consequences.

I think goroth has won the thread.

Also, since we're not exactly on topic, I just wanted to take this opportunity to say that I'm pretty disgusted with Nashville Predators' fans throwing catfish onto the ice. I shouldn't be surprised given that hockey isn't the most vegetarian of professional sports, but that's a waste of fucking fish.

[Jwar]

The only thing I'd worry about is getting enough brotein so your child can one day achieve true bro levels.

Other than that, kids will adapt to whatever. As long as you give them balance, that's all that really matters. If they decide to be religious, wait...I mean, meat eaters one day, then that's their choice. We just do what we think is best while they are young. Key word there "think". LOL.

[jrfox92]

but that's a waste of fucking fish.

fucking fish.

[Chankgeez]

That's a different thread.

[coldbrightsunlight]

Benny you're doing good.

We eat vegetarian but aren't vegetarians. I try to feed the little dudes food that is vegetarian by design - so instead of vegetarian meatballs and potatoes I'll just make felafel, which is pretty much the same shit but it's not trying to be something else. Indian cuisine is another easy one to work with as there are lots of dishes that don't have a meat equivalent - they just are.

But we'll buy vegetarian meatballs as well when we can't be fucked cooking and we just call them vegetarian meatballs. Which makes no sense at all but whatever.

Because we cook a lot from scratch the children (5 and 3 and 3) seem, or perhaps "seem" to understand the difference between vegetables and substitute-foods for want of a better word. They don't care. We also talk about meat, and the fact that it's an animal that we're eating, and that demands some respect, and they seem to grasp that in their own little way.

Just talk to em like grown-ups and it'll sort itself out. don't go all smiths on them and say meat is murder, just tell em it's a choice you've made and they can do their own shit later.

Meat is murder though you monstrous carnivore

I thought this thread would get more angry and I'm glad it didn't. Bennroe it sounds like you're doing the right thing in not forcing your kids into anything while raising them in a way consistent with your beliefs at home.

Even thinking about the way you introduce your beliefs to your kids and considering the best way to do it seems to be more thought than most people put into raising their kids so big respect for that.

[jrfox92]

[Invisible Man]

Damn I agree with Sapceritual.

Also looking forward to the sitcom where he raises twins.

[UglyCasanova]

Damn I agree with Sapceritual.

How so? Every choice you make on behalf of your kid before they're able to analyze and decide for themselves, either inside or outside the social norm, can in that case be called indoctrination. Doesn't really seem like a point at all to me.

[Chankgeez]

Sapceritual.

[SPACERITUAL]

How so? Every choice you make on behalf of your kid before they're able to analyze and decide for themselves, either inside or outside the social norm, can in that case be called indoctrination. Doesn't really seem like a point at all to me.

Ehhhhh I mean dude you're clearly just really wanting to argue based on it being me who said it and not really out of any actual disagreement with what was said but hey ill play along its been awhile since a whole page of a thread has been dedicated to how I'm a total piece of shit. Here goes:

You are wrong because you ignore my argument. Most people do so don't feel sad. See what i said was "I kinda disagree with making fundamental lifestyle choices for children based on a personal moral compass or a parroting of your parents practices". What you said is "SPACERITUAL is saying that making any choices whatsoever for your children is indoctrination".

It should now be evident that you are wrong both on a philosophical level and on the level that you were addressing my argument. Also holy shit them logic fallacies be flying around like horny bats and shit.

Anyway. My argument was essentially that raising your kid to be X because X aligns with your personal MORAL and not necessarily an overall ETHICAL ideal is going to create animosity in the long run and that i personally wish that didn't exist between myself and my parents, who I love very much.

LETS HAVE AN EXAMPLE:

Billy bob loves his son. Billy bob personally believes that gays are bad. Billy bob raises his son to not be gay and believe that gays are bad. Billy bobs son blows a dude and likes it. Billy bobs son is conflicted because he very much loves and respects billy bob, who taught him that gays were bad, but he also totally likes being gay. Regardless of whether or not billy bob disowns or accepts his son, there will always be some resentment based on this.

This is my argument. What is not my argument looks like this:

Billy bob teaches son not to run out into traffic, this is TOTALLY INDOCTRINATION.

So we see the dividing line, in my opinion, between MORALS and ETHICS.

Thank you. Namaste.

[UglyCasanova]

How so? Every choice you make on behalf of your kid before they're able to analyze and decide for themselves, either inside or outside the social norm, can in that case be called indoctrination. Doesn't really seem like a point at all to me.

Ehhhhh I mean dude you're clearly just really wanting to argue based on it being me who said it and not really out of any actual disagreement with what was said

Wait. What? Have we even exchanged words on this forum before? I have no qualms against you. I literally know nothing about you.

My problem with your logic is that pushing bad morals/ethics/whatchamightcallit is a problem (like Billy Bob telling his kids that gays are bad people) is not the same as not eating meat to relieve unnecessary suffering to other conscious creatures (good values), hence no reason for the parent to get into a parental dilemma the way one should if they're in fact homophobic, imo. It's a non-issue.

[ck3]

[SPACERITUAL]

My problem with your logic is that pushing bad morals/ethics/whatchamightcallit is a problem (like Billy Bob telling his kids that gays are bad people) is not the same as not eating meat to relieve unnecessary suffering to other conscious creatures (good values), hence no reason for the parent to get into a parental dilemma the way one should if they're in fact homophobic, imo. It's a non-issue.

I don't think you understand that not eating meat and hating gay people are both lifestyle choices based on personal moral values. Not hurting animals and gay people being an abomination or something could even be mutually inclusive, being choices based on MORAL guidelines. But I'm just wasting time because you're verbally stating above that you don't understand the difference between moral and ethical.

[UglyCasanova]

Cool. Good chat.

[SPACERITUAL]

Cool. Good chat.

Thats so cool how you blow your stupidity off like you could totally care less maaaaan. You are cool. Do you smoke?