Well, at least, they're releasing the Amelia Earhart files...

[Invisible Man]

that awkward moment when you know the answer but you're not sure if it's a rhetorical question.

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[Ugly Nora]

Not a great story. My family business is/was making and distributing band merchandise. Norwegian black metal and the likes is a big export, so I've worked with a lot of the bigger BM bands.

you have to have one coolish one or you could just make one up, that's cool too

Hmmm, the one that always makes me smile was when I was having a meeting with Gaahl of Gorgoroth and he brought along his boyfriend, a 17 year old boytoy with a passion for the color pink. It was a bizarre sight.

Here they are. Cute couple.

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Proof that Norwegian Black Metal literally sucks dick.

[Invisible Man]

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

I don't know how you think language, bigotry or insinuations like that are cool. THIS IS 2016, wake the fuck up...Norwegian Black Metal is rad.

[Ugly Nora]

YOU FUCKING ASSHOLE

I don't know how you think language, bigotry or insinuations like that are cool. THIS IS 2016, wake the fuck up...Norwegian Black Metal is rad.

Burning churches and sucking dicks. That's a good album title or perhaps even a Norwegian tourism slogan.

[UglyCasanova]

Proof that Norwegian Black Metal literally sucks dick.

Burning churches and sucking dicks. That's a good album title or perhaps even a Norwegian tourism slogan.

What's the difference between your hate speech and someone calling black people niggers or gay people faggots? Hint: there isnt.

Basking in irony

[lordgalvar]

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[Faldoe]

I didn't advocate Marxist solutions - however misunderstood they are (Marxism is not necessarily illiberal like you seem to think, a Marxist agenda can be achieved through an electoral process, look at Scandinavia, France or Italy), but using Marxist analysis to look at society and understand how homogenous the political spectrum is. "Identity" is ingrained in the communautarianist outlook on society which is politically irrelevant. The problems people face are not a result of their "identity" or the "community" they belong to. Employment, sickness, polution, lack of entertainment and access to cultural goods or education are not "community" problems. Playing the identity card is a nice way to fake political dissensus in the interest of the class that is conscious of it's class interest and of it's hand on politics.
(2)

In my opinion, the solution is the active promotion of humanism in the face of everything. Rousseau's intuition, that there is a common good that we can only define by the democratic process through lack of a better solution to build a social contract, is entirely confirmed by climate change. All humans are dependent on the only ecosystem that is compatible with human life, therefore, human is what defines us on a political level. This is why humans inherently have rights, ingenuously called human rights etc...

But then I could go into a long winded explanation about how I'm a republicanist and socialist BECAUSE I like self reliance, and confuse the shit out of everybody.

What they need is actual Marxism. Looking at society in terms of class interests instead of so called "identity". Human is the only political identity I tolerate.

You said "Actual Marxism." If you meant that in the sense that Marxism hasn't actually be tried, I did not understand that is what you meant, if you did.

(2) - Who is playing the identity card? Are you suggesting I am? Identity politics is that people will use an aspect of themselves to see everything through - forsaking facts that don't fit into their narrative. Say race, gender, sexual orientation, class. If you see the world through one of some of those lenses, all issues or problems can appear to be rooted in those areas. That problem with this is that you may end up missing the complexity or truth of an issue cause you weren't looking for it, especially if it doesn't conform with your view of the world - through your lenses. My whole thing is can we - Can I - not cling to and see through certain aspects of ourselves, our identity, which may inhibit our ability to be as reasoned and receptive as possible.

A problem is that too often people play the identity card and they avoid responsibility for their actions or blame others and deprive themselves of agency. The latter is more insidious in a way because people may think and believe they have less power and agency then they really do which can reinforce their sense of helplessness.

I agree regarding the Climate Change/Common ground comment. I'd say another common area we have is the venue of reason and logic.

[Disarm D'arcy]

My point is that worldwide, the left has, since the '80s, abandoned a Marxist outlook on society. By refusing to look at society in terms of class issue, and playing it's role at promoting social progress, having aligned with the right on economic and social views (neo-liberterianism), pandering to "identity" is all it's left to set aside (I'm left because I recognize X community to be affected with Y issue).

This homogeneity of the political spectrum is the cause of many democratic hills: if there's no actual choice, why vote and care; might as well vote for the loud body slamming guy and send the two major political organizations to hell.

This historical movement was impulses by Clinton, during his presidency. He inspired the Blairs and the Schroeders who were so keen on dimming themselves modern. To a point than in more than half of EU member states, the conservatives are governing in coalition with this new class of libertarians with societal liberal views on issues such as "gay rights" or "catholic rights" or whatever, issues that are the new left-right divide.

This is the exact mold of the US Democrats, and this is why they lost. They failed to convince because the line of conflict was "the other guy has potty mouth, COME TO ME MONKEYS" and the economic and social issues that affect the millions of Americans that would be more inclined for a left wing candidate were swept under the rug entirely.

[bloatedsack]

I don't know how you think language, bigotry or insinuations like that are cool. THIS IS 2016, wake the fuck up...Norwegian Black Metal is rad.

#blackmetalmatters

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not really though

[lordgalvar]

[youtube]http://m.youtube.com/watch?v=Ho_S-UTqQRA[/youtube]

[Ugly Nora]

Proof that Norwegian Black Metal literally sucks dick.

Burning churches and sucking dicks. That's a good album title or perhaps even a Norwegian tourism slogan.

What's the difference between your hate speech and someone calling black people niggers or gay people faggots? Hint: there isnt.

Basking in irony

As usual, your logic is flawed in that I never said sucking dicks or burning churches was a negative thing. I simply stated a fact that occurs in the black metal scene in Norway. If you perceive either sucking dick or burning churches to be negative, then that is on you.

[UglyCasanova]

Placed in the same context as stating that Norwegian BM sucks (and you generally becoming negative to Norway due to not knowing how foreign politics and the UN function), I find it hard to believe that you had a jolly message. Nice backpedaling though.

Now, how is your logic here?

*slow clap*

Great job, 'Murica.



Well, here's to hoping the USD plummets so I can get some cheap pedals. On the bright side, maybe Trump will move those US soliders out of Norway so he and Putin can remain batty boys.

Why do you refuse to accept responsibility for your own actions? The fact remains that the reason the US soliers are in Norway is because the politicians that you and your countrymen voted for are allowing them to be there. Simple as that. Don't like it? Protest your government for making that decision. Or perhaps look at yourself and decide where you went wrong voting for the politicians that are allowing it to happen and next time make smarter choices.

Geopolitics command politics. No alternative system of alliance is available to Norway.

Note that the situation is identical for France. Our historic alliances in Latin America, Russia, Africa and Asia are in jeopardy and precarious due to the US's destabilizing the equilibrium of all of these regions in order to put pressure on the non aligned friendlies... which is working tremendously.

Do you realize you are talking about 4 millions of people? Do you realize the US's military budget is superior to the Norwegian GDP by 20%? It's what alliances are for. France however, is more guilty of renouncement, because we have the means of independence on many account (that starts with nuclear dissuasion and the industrial capabilities to produce the entire arsenal for modern warfare, however it's not very trendy because budget cuts and deficit and debt and all that BS that comes with being part of the EU and the Euro, which proves again that geopolitics command politics).

I don't think he understand how it works, still. It's pretty amazing.


Let me try again. WE are part of NATO. WE need NATO because we have no one else to turn to. WE can't change NATO policies (read: neither can our politicians). WE do not control NATO. WE are a country of 5 million people. NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. The US used a loophole (AKA doing something that is against the purpose of the contract) to be OFFENSIVE. WE are stuck between A) dealing with it, or B) being open to attacks from ANYONE. Conclusion: WE are fucked either way because the US are paranoid parrot military cunts still living by an empirical mindset.

I do understand. I don't think you understand that you are contradicting yourself in every post. In one breath you say the US has no business being in Norway, and in the next breath you say you need our help. Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are compromises in the adult world.

Also, your anti American rhetoric is tiring and not needed on a gear forum. Why lump all Americans together and call them stupid and cunts? You do realize that our population is about as diverse as it comes, dont you? Does that really seem appropriate? What's the difference between your hate speech and someone calling black people niggers or gay people faggots? Hint: there isnt.

Being in an alliance is fine. I don't mind that.
Going against the intent of the alliance I don't appreciate.
This is not contradictory. To point out that something is fucky within an alliance whilst still seeing the benefit of the alliance is not contradictory. If you were under attack, we'd come to help you. If we are under attack, you'd come help us. You know, being a defensive alliance;, the way NATO is supposed to work? Right now, we are not under attack, but you're still here. See how that's a little fucky?

I did not say "the American people", I said "the US" (personification). Same way you can call citrus fruits sour even if there are sweet oranges around. Don't twist my rhetoric around and compare calling out a system's ideology to individual slurs. Instead, try focusing on the fact that you don't know how international politics work.

[D.o.S.]

Big fan of black metal and blowjobs here. AMA.

[UglyCasanova]

Big fan of black metal and blowjobs here. AMA.

Hear, hear.

[UglyCasanova]

This thread needs more NBM. I used to be this duder's boss. Somewhat of a hidden gem, IMO

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