Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the modulator masses

[Inconuucl]

I've always wanted a ring mod that tracks the note you're playing + interval. Kinda like the bastard son between a green ringer and a pog. Even better to add a slew control, to delay the time that it takes to reach the note. It's like one of my dream pedals.

[Chankgeez]

Have you tried the SubDecay Vitruvian Mod?

[lordgalvar]

I've always wanted a ring mod that tracks the note you're playing + interval. Kinda like the bastard son between a green ringer and a pog. Even better to add a slew control, to delay the time that it takes to reach the note. It's like one of my dream pedals.

Freq box or pll with a wet and dry out....take wet out and put that into your carrier osc in on something like the moog, carlin, frostwave, etc. (I don't remember if randy's revenge has an osc in?). Any tracking pedal would work....even put something in a blender and just blend the wet/dry to separate inputs....instant moving ring mod....could probably wire that up if you want?

or use the subdecay one

Anyway:
Guitar
full wet delay (like Amdek or something....or a ping pong delay on a boss or something???)
(dry output) -> amp or blender/mixer
(wet output)
V
RMA tetanus (or two output pedal)
Output 1 -> harmonic decoder/octasynth/etc -> MF102 carrier osc in
Output 2 -> MF102 normal input -> MF102 output to amp or blender/mixer

Isn't the Ring Thing supposed to do something like that too?

[insubordination]

I've always wanted a ring mod that tracks the note you're playing + interval. Kinda like the bastard son between a green ringer and a pog. Even better to add a slew control, to delay the time that it takes to reach the note. It's like one of my dream pedals.

Aside from the slew control, Vitruvian is a good choice for this, as noted above. Fantastic and versatile pedal, very different than any other ring mod in that it's more like an octave pedal, but you can't completely dial out the base square wave distorted sound. Sort of like the Root knob on the Bit Commander if you're familiar. It's not clean plus ring modded note, if that makes sense.

[Inconuucl]

I've always wanted a ring mod that tracks the note you're playing + interval. Kinda like the bastard son between a green ringer and a pog. Even better to add a slew control, to delay the time that it takes to reach the note. It's like one of my dream pedals.

Freq box or pll with a wet and dry out....take wet out and put that into your carrier osc in on something like the moog, carlin, frostwave, etc. (I don't remember if randy's revenge has an osc in?). Any tracking pedal would work....even put something in a blender and just blend the wet/dry to separate inputs....instant moving ring mod....could probably wire that up if you want?

Oh man, that would sounds amazing. I'd love that. I should have bought a passive ring mod when I had my PLL, altough that would have been overkill since I'd had to turn off all but one of the voices.

[lordgalvar]

Will do man....would probably be pretty easy, even with delay, with the moog pedals...

[lordgalvar]

So upon initial investigation a tracking synth pedal doesn't work very well (esp after delay). I tried the setup with the Moog MF104m, Freqbox, and MF102 ring mod. Spend a few minutes this morning before I go out to the shop.

Possible Reasons I think:
-Not really enough separation between carrier and modulator (will try something more sub octave than freqbox or harmonic decoder).
-Delayed signal esp from BBD delays is degraded and it has less for the PLL/synth pedal to track. On top of that, after fully muting the signal, the carrier is not present and their is nothing to ring mod for the modulator (shorter delay times worked better due to, I'm guessing sharper signal and a more ready carrier)
-Signal mismatch (doubtful).

However, I did try a few other configurations. I used the moog freqbox in sync mode tracking (in different setups) the delayed or normal signal. When tracking the delayed signal, I ran the freqbox osc out to the carrier in and it worked ok. When I ran the freqbox on the mix (mixed to full dry signal), I ran the delayed to the audio in of the ring mod with the freqbox as the carrier to get a cleaner signal for the freqbox to track...not much better but better.

The thing that worked best was to use the freqbox env tracking output to control the carrier in and then use the delayed out of the MF104m to trigger the env on the freqbox via the delay out. Nice, squirrel-y, high drone kinda results. But that wasn't the goal haha.

Ummm, I guess I could try the octasynth...but I don't know how much better it will work. But, at least, there should be more separation between modulator and carrier that way (with two octaves down). I did record most of this, so I will edit something up eventually.

[Chankgeez]

Abanoise has this Menatone O-Ring up for sale on the D*A*M forum.



Looks pretty interesting, never heard one though. Couldn't find any clips or demos either.

[Phosphene Audio]

Also, does anyone have any experience with passive ring modulation?

I made a few diode/xfmr ring mods for friends and thought they sounded pretty good, though the first few I made had no carrier suppression.

The last one I made had a VCA that the carrier passed through with the CV supplied from an envelope generator that tracked the input signal. Even though it was intended for guitar, it was huge and had no footswitch and had a bunch of ins and outs for CV:

[coupleonapkins]

Anyone mention the Black Cat Ring Modulator yet? It was a clone of the Maestro, but w/ a CV & Loop. A few were floating around for sale for awhile, but that ship seems to have sailed (also sadder still, since the Maestro is a few thousand or so at this point, give or take).

[Chankgeez]

I made a few diode/xfmr ring mods for friends and thought they sounded pretty good, though the first few I made had no carrier suppression.

The last one I made had a VCA that the carrier passed through with the CV supplied from an envelope generator that tracked the input signal. Even though it was intended for guitar, it was huge and had no footswitch and had a bunch of ins and outs for CV:

Thanks for posting. Our soundcloud tags seem to be broken. Not sure if this is the same clip you're talking about. If so, sounds pretty good:

https://soundcloud.com/phosphene-audio/ ... ral-office

Anyone mention the Black Cat Ring Modulator yet? It was a clone of the Maestro, but w/ a CV & Loop. A few were floating around for sale for awhile, but that ship seems to have sailed (also sadder still, since the Maestro is a few thousand or so at this point, give or take).

Not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but we're only four pages in. So, nice that you mentioned it. Thank you.

[lordgalvar]

I remember the black cat...there was something weird about it...but I can't remember haha (years ago).

[Eivind August]

Yeah, never seen one of those Black Cats for sale. And I vaguely remember someone having issues with them? The schematics for the Maestro Ring Mod are out there though, so you might be able to have one built.

On the subject of ring mods, check out the Copilot FX Robotum - cheap and awesome.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ElhaxJEB3ys[/youtube]

[lordgalvar]

Saw that yesterday! 'Twas awesome and can't wait for mine!

[lordgalvar]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bbOP0GIzbSI[/youtube]

Or use a microphone for feedback as a carrier (and fun talk box).