Seppuku FX

[lordgalvar]

Wait, who or what happening?

Hi!

[Chankgeez]

[Uncle Grandfather]

[D.o.S.]

where were you when UG learned to youtube?
where were you when UG learned to img?
where were you when UG had every one of his songs changed to Tesla(?)

[Uncle Grandfather]

i've got all the hip new memes

[D.o.S.]

help me out here what was that song though?

[Uncle Grandfather]

help me out here what was that song though?

oh god i can't remember but i do remember it was on halloween and it. blew. my. mind.

wait, some holiday....maybe halloween?

[lordgalvar]

You got this one? It fixes everything



[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFiuRa0vAlw[/youtube]

[Uncle Grandfather]

awesome! thanks for making that. yeah mine looks like exactly like the five knobber but it doesn't behave the same way AT ALL, on mine the top row middle and right knobs cause some serious pitchshifting/clitchyness to happen that is very similar to how the teaspoon behaves...more in line with the KK and eccomod where you can fuck with tiem. yours seems more like a traditional dirty delay, i wonder if UC's is similar to yours and is a good representation of the current production model?

[D.o.S.]

help me out here what was that song though?

oh god i can't remember but i do remember it was on halloween and it. blew. my. mind.

wait, some holiday....maybe halloween?

AH! I remembered the album art:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yl6diqYfTfo[/youtube]

[Uncle Grandfather]

YES!!
oh sweet memories

[lordgalvar]

awesome! thanks for making that. yeah mine looks like exactly like the five knobber but it doesn't behave the same way AT ALL, on mine the top row middle and right knobs cause some serious pitchshifting/clitchyness to happen that is very similar to how the teaspoon behaves...more in line with the KK and eccomod where you can fuck with tiem. yours seems more like a traditional dirty delay, i wonder if UC's is similar to yours and is a good representation of the current production model?

Thanks man!

So I watched your vid again (been a while) and they behave very similar (my 5-knob and yours)...but yours seems to have something added to the feedback and clock timer, but I can hear the same interactions (if you know what I mean). The unlabeled knob (lower left) and the data knob are both starve/gain controls and only work about 2/3's of the way, which is about the same as the two I have (the 4-knob has one of these listed as glitch). The Clock on mine correlates the latency on the 4 knob...Level and Signal is the same on all three...so it seems that the Repeats and Feedback section is where there is a lot of variance...you've probably got a little something extra in that part of the circuit on yours that gives it more gain and probably some shifting (or at least some time variance)...pretty neat man! Love figuring out all this stuff.

Anyway, the thing about the more the one repeat on the memory loss is that it is the oscillations...it kind of gets swept up and becomes a part of that wash...they are easier to pick out sometimes than others...and the loudest repeat (ie, when you hit the hardest) will linger the longest and sometimes drown out the other ones...but I heard a bit of faint repeats in there on your demo...(just watched the first solo one). The first repeat is by far the loudest on the newer ones (significantly louder)...far more than on the older ones (the repeats are more even in volume and easier to create an non-harsh wash).

I can't really get a handle on brandsmannen's, but it seems like similar to 4-knob one (more blended) [he was doing really cool stuff with his]

UC's sounds a lot like the 4-knob one too...

I'm guessing that it went 4-knob chip outside -> 5-knob blue -> transitional experiments (yours and Noras//probably somewhere in parallel to the others around this era) -> the 5-knob b/w -> 5-knob with correct input switch (current)

So, I don't think yours is that far off...just something special in the feedback that layers like crazy and does stuff...as far as I can tell ( )...Hopefully (and I know he will) UC will chime in and correct me haha.

Anyway, having a blast figuring this stuff out! haha.

[Uncle Grandfather]

Ok LG, good info! To add to the confusion, here's my take on it. So my memory loss is basically like a fully wet signal. The top right knob, labeled clock, when fully counter clockwise its Almost like i have a dry signal and the sound coming out is pretty much in time with my playing. As i turn the clock knob clockwise the sound, or rather resulting loops i like to call them, coming out is delayed to the point where there is a pretty long pause before the loops start when fully clockwise. So all the while i can be playing and no sound is coming out until the loop starts. Depending on where the middle knob, labeled data, is set i can get what seems like multiple repeats like a normal delay pedal would do when its more counter clockwise, but i believe its actually still just these little loops being played with smaller amount of time between them. So its only almost possible to get something similar to what sounds like a "normal" delay pedals repeats. and since there is no dry signal and because of its nature its more like small loops of what i've played being looped over and over. Of course there is also all the crazy degeneration artifacts and noise going on. Seems i can play like, three or four quarter notes and have that looped as a single repeat, thats why i call them loops instead of repeats if that makes any sense. I don't seem to typically get more than three repeats on a loop before its gone, but sometimes its possible to have a loop going indefinitely too....although often these loops will turn into pure rhythmic texture, but not always and I think it has to do with the feedback setting. Also its possible to have multiple loops going at a time. So, its like it samples what im playing and then loops that sample over and over while losing fidelity etc.

I don't really get that vibe from your demo? i dont even know if my demos show that, i made those demos probably the same day I got the pedal so i certainly didn't know what was going on haha. it seems to me that both of your ML always have a dry signal going on in realtime with repeats following but its hard to know without knowing when you're actually strumming. Hopefully this post makes sense to you

[K2000]

Rhys pulled the Memory Loss for a while because he was getting inconsistent results based on unstable component(s) (I think I remember that right). So I think there are some Memory Losses out there which aren't exactly like other Memory Losses. If you have two different pedals from two different batches, that would explain why your pedals aren't identical.

I bought a Kompact Kassette directly from Seppuku for like $150 about 2-3 years ago, before the bubble of interest grew. I love it - it's a weird pedal but it's useable for me. Not all weird pedals are useable (I didn't find the Memory Loss useable, and sold it in the B/S/T forum here).

Seppuku is getting too expensive, but many pedals are too expensive. Some new Boss pedals are $170 (correct?) Other boutique pedals are not all that different in prices than Seppuku, without being nearly as interesting (to me).

[lordgalvar]

Totally makes sense...your description makes it sound more like mine. I think in the video, the phone was picking up my actual guitar acoustic-style a bit...or maybe there is a tiny bit of bleed of dry that isn't really audible but the camera pics it up (doubtful). One think to note is that I change my playing when I play the memory loss....I build up quick, staggered fragments and was kind of layering them...sometimes not knowing what it would sound like (was already three or four 1/4 notes down the road before I heard what I was playing...so that kinda sucks when you are a bad guitar player haha).

So I would play a power chord really fast and then kind of layer it...notes the same way but more sparce...I guess the sample aspect of it, or looping, is right...the thing is cutting out some of the data...When it sounded like a normal delay I was hitting a power chord and then strumming faster and muting quick (I guess finger mute). I did palm mute it...so I was emulating the responce of a delay on a delayed signal (this was all like a long time after I had actually hit the note...so I was playing the next phrase as the last played kind of thing...then sometimes I would let the delay hit, then layer, then let it hit, then layer...just weird rhythm stuff with the full wet signal).

There was a part where I put clock all the way down and got that slight doubling filter comb kinda effect too...

I was also using the memory loss to drive the amp for the second half...but I was playing everything way before it was actually audible through the amp...I'm working on a better demo. Might do a wet dry blend thing in stereo?

There is some level of time variance with volume hitting it (I think it is like a ducking overload that cuts the sample short until it is back into normal range or something).

But yea, the loop thing makes total sense and basically describes exactly what I was doing...

Still yours has something extra in it I think...there were some sounds in there I don't think I can get...yea, good information. I'm glad you put the data knob the way you did...couldn't for the life of me describe it (but it makes sense)...the 4-knob one is a little more normal though...but still totally a blast.

Rhys pulled the Memory Loss for a while because he was getting inconsistent results based on unstable component(s) (I think I remember that right). So I think there are some Memory Losses out there which aren't exactly like other Memory Losses. If you have two different pedals from two different batches, that would explain why your pedals aren't identical.

I bought a Kompact Kassette directly from Seppuku for like $150 about 2-3 years ago, before the bubble of interest grew. I love it - it's a weird pedal but it's useable for me. Not all weird pedals are useable (I didn't find the Memory Loss useable, and sold it in the B/S/T forum here).

Seppuku is getting too expensive, but many pedals are too expensive. Some new Boss pedals are $170 (correct?) Other boutique pedals are not all that different in prices than Seppuku, without being nearly as interesting (to me).

It got to be that darn PT2399 chip! Or maybe the opamps? There are at least 4 or 5 variations on this guy so far.

Yea, there are a lot of silly prices on boutique stuff in general, and other brands that are fairly cheap. his prices are kind of high, but I'd rather him have it (my money) than JHS for another big muff haha. I think he makes some neat stuff.