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I tried the guitar straight into the true bypass looper, through the hoof and into the tone reaper and the problem that I had when I went to the tuner first wasn't there, so I guess that's ok. The lack of brightness is apparent whether I plugged the guitar straight into the Tone Reaper and direct to amp, so it's not my signal chain creating the issue. I'm playing a Jazzmaster with pickups from Handmade at the Creamery, a UK pickup maker.

You do know that the Tone Reaper's tone knob is "backwards", right? It has more treble to the left and more bass to the right, which is the opposite of most tone knobs.

Signal chain was: Korg DT10 - True Bypass Looper : Out 1 - EQD Hoof - EQD Tone Reaper : Out 2 - Coopersonic Valveslapper - Boss FZ2 Hyper Fuzz : - True Bypass Looper : Boss TR2 (Monte Allums) - Ibanez CCL Dual Chorus - Maxon AD999 : - MXR Phase 90

hclapp219 wrote:You do know that the Tone Reaper's tone knob is "backwards", right? It has more treble to the left and more bass to the right, which is the opposite of most tone knobs.

Yes i'd worked that out.

I'm playing a SF Bassman though, maybe I should just turn the treble up and knock the bass down - I was playing it with T 7 and B 6 though.

The Tone Reaper shouldn't be a dark pedal by any means. Did you try running the buffered tuner at the end of the chain? The buffer should add some sparkle back. We use a SF bassman to test pedals with. Treble and bass both at 6 and the bright switch off. The Reaper should always have a little brittle edge until you get to about 1-2 O'Clock on the tone knob.

tim wrote:Tonebenders like to be immediately after a guitar. Even a true bypass pedal could cause problems.

I don't think I agree with this. If your signal is being modified enough to cause issues with the fuzz then I seriously doubt if you really have true bypass. I can see where there might conceivably be some loss of high end due to capacitance (depending on what kind of connection scheme you have), but if it's true bypass it shouldn't be any different than running a slightly longer cable. And given that Tonebenders are generally regarded as being on the bright side anyway, I'm not sure why that would cause issues.

And as far as EQ'ing after fuzz, I'm running an MXR 6 band EQ after a Hoof right now and it takes only very slight adjustments to get some pretty significant changes. As you would expect, some are good, some not so good. The key word there is slght - a little tends to go a very long way so if you do this resist the urge to make major alterations all at once, Your ears will thank you.

Played the TR yesterday and turned the treble on my Bassman up a bit and the darkness goes away so all is good. I may still get an EQ to run after for extra tone shaping but it sounds great for me at the moment.