Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)



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Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby vidret » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:45 am

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I got the red panda raster 2 in yesterday and it's pretty amazing. I'll start by saying I'm not big on glitchy/pitch shifty stuff, so if you are then this is probably EVEN MORE for you than for me, but what I found in this box was a lot of stuff not covered in demos.

It can do a pretty damn good phaser, flanger, chorus (and trem too), and the reverse delay is very good.

Where it gets wild is that it's actually two delays in one, and you can offset all the controls for the second delay (and second mod/shift stuff). Along with series/parallel/ping pong modes for these two delays (that also come out in mono, not just for stereo) takes it to the next level, alongside all the previous effects like flanger and chorus but with a dual delay setting.

Just the simple thing of using the delays in series then making the one delay slightly faster/slower than the other and you get these shearing echoes. Wanna modulate it further? Just have one be modulated slightly faster/slower than the other, or deeper or shallower.

So far I've found that dialing them in pretty close to each other so that I always know what's going on but the second delay always adds this extra dimension to the sound is :!!!:

The oscillations are damn good and the filter in the fx loop does a good job of taking this sound several places, although it's not a highly resonant filter or anything. It's basically variable lowpass, normal digital delay, highpass and then bandpass.
What I like about the oscillations here, and what seems to be an issue with some other delays, is that the oscillations aren't (in most settings) FAR louder than the input signal.
A lot of other delays have this thing where if your input signal isn't loud enough and it goes into oscillation there's no way your input signal can compete, and so you end up with just a pitchy squeal until you turn it off or turn feedback down.
This can usually be fixed by having a loud as fuck input signal so the headroom always gives way for your input, but it's hard to get those clean swashes.
With this one in most settings you can cut through and get your signal in there, despite it full on oscillating, which is great.

Interface wise it looks pretty damn busy on first glance, but breaking it down is quite easy.
You've got your standard mix-delay-feedback.
You've got your standard mod depth and rate (and waveform button)
You've got the Shift knob, which does pitch shifting/flanging/phasing.

Beyond that is the switch that decides whether the delay goes:
*forwards w/ the Shift in the feedback loop,
*forwards w/ the Shift outside the feedback loop (so only shifted once),
*reverse w/ the Shift in the feedback loop.

The "shift" mode is wayyy improved upon from the raster 1, where it's now a full on pitch shifter, phaser and flanger.

It's also got switches for each of the stomps: Momentary and latching for both stomps, then tap tempo for the shift stomp and a mode for the on/off that allows the pedal to record while it's bypassed, so when you turn it on it's got your echoes all ready for ya.
The latching and the extra tap tempo are great additions, I've often wished my delays had trails and momentary switches to throw notes in there then keep playing with the echoes going.

Personally I'll be running this in between two dirt pedals because I always find that digital delays need that extra character to them, but I don't think it's absolutely necessary with this one. With the filters and offsetting some of the params for the dual delays you can get quite smeary and filtery characteristics. I just love that shoegaze vibe of dirt post delay.

I still have a love for PT2399 and analog delays but I feel like this is peak digital delay before taking the step into something like a strymon timeline, eventide timefactor or empress superdelay or whatever else is out there.

The fact that despite the switches this feels quite modeless is a huge positive for me. Sure, there are different settings, but it always feels like you are changing the same delay with different variations, not like you're choosing different modes.


Cons for me personally are the looks and the size. I dig the particle 2 look, it looks like something from Portal, but I think I'm gonna have this etched. We all know blue is the delay color (just like flanger is purple).

Sizewise it could've been slightly bigger, but honestly it's not an issue. I was afraid I'd step on these small switches near the stomps but they're small enough to sit below the stomp switches.

I think this is a pedal where if it had a slightly larger enclosure and the graphics were taken to the next level it'd sell like crazy.
Unfortunately now there's just lots of pitch shift/reverse demos on youtube and people who want that rainbow machine sound are gonna go for this, which is a shame because it does a lot more.


tl;dr it's good check it out. I might do a demo that shows stuff the other demos didn't really hit on.
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby taco satori » Wed Dec 15, 2021 11:53 am

Awesome, I was waiting for someone to start a dedicated thread!

Things I’ve been chasing:

* using modulation on the Amplitude to get sort of in the ballpark of what I use the Judder for: shearing ducked short delay stuff. It has a muted bypass option so that it’s always listening.
* using the freq shift to get ring mod-y stuff like Arcing Prisms, Feber, etc.

I wish the presets would remember your bypass switch position for when you want to go between say Trails and the muted bypass option. Small quibble. 4 presets seems small for what this can do so I’m starting to think about ways I can store more.
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby vidret » Wed Dec 15, 2021 12:54 pm

taco satori wrote:Awesome, I was waiting for someone to start a dedicated thread!

Things I’ve been chasing:

* using modulation on the Amplitude to get sort of in the ballpark of what I use the Judder for: shearing ducked short delay stuff. It has a muted bypass option so that it’s always listening.
* using the freq shift to get ring mod-y stuff like Arcing Prisms, Feber, etc.

I wish the presets would remember your bypass switch position for when you want to go between say Trails and the muted bypass option. Small quibble. 4 presets seems small for what this can do so I’m starting to think about ways I can store more.


Yeah I just now dug into the amplitude modulation (tremolo), but only did so with simple waveforms like triangle and sine, I'm a simple guy.
But you're right, the envelope on the amplitude could be interesting on there, gonna give that a shot.

I sort of like that there's only 4 presets, scrolling endless lists isn't that fun - you can have a zillion presets with the editor but I haven't looked into it. I'm unsure whether I'll use the editor for anything besides making a 3200 ms mode where I can do maximum reverse delay.

Presets changing the switches for you could very quickly turn into a goddamned mess á la where the fuck am I, so I'm sort of happy they don't do that.
But I'll be honest I haven't messed much with presets and I'm not big on presets either way, I just tweak and leave stuff.
So far I was thinking I'll save one reverse delay preset, two flangy/phasery/swirly one and one simply good sounding delay.


Big shoutout to the trem mode actually, having two delays slightly offset with two trems changing them both in the feedback loop gives a LOT of movement to a signal. It sounds like a lot but you just gotta tweak two or three knobs to offset the delay times and mod rate or depth.
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby coldbrightsunlight » Wed Dec 15, 2021 1:50 pm

appreciate this write-up on a pedal I had considered a write-off because it just looked like it was for glitchy or pitch weirdness things which is very rarely my bag.
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby manymanyhaha » Wed Dec 15, 2021 3:44 pm

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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby taco satori » Wed Dec 15, 2021 10:00 pm

vidret wrote: I sort of like that there's only 4 presets, scrolling endless lists isn't that fun - you can have a zillion presets with the editor but I haven't looked into it. I'm unsure whether I'll use the editor for anything besides making a 3200 ms mode where I can do maximum reverse delay.

Presets changing the switches for you could very quickly turn into a goddamned mess á la where the fuck am I, so I'm sort of happy they don't do that.
But I'll be honest I haven't messed much with presets and I'm not big on presets either way, I just tweak and leave stuff.
So far I was thinking I'll save one reverse delay preset, two flangy/phasery/swirly one and one simply good sounding delay.


Yeah having the limited built-in preset slots is nice as far as avoiding options paralysis! I'm not an endless setting scroller type and am kinda closer to your tweak-and-leave approach, more into finding a couple shortcuts to facilitate a performance (not that I'm playing live atm). I know the Tensor has the switch setting tied to presets but on 2nd thought the Raster might be a rough go if it was the same. I have yet to try using it with a Remote4, that might be nice to be able to toggle presets on and then back to live settings with the double-tap.

vidret wrote:Big shoutout to the trem mode actually, having two delays slightly offset with two trems changing them both in the feedback loop gives a LOT of movement to a signal. It sounds like a lot but you just gotta tweak two or three knobs to offset the delay times and mod rate or depth.


YES that is a great thing to have! Having some movement like you said helps liven up the delay experience for sure. I did start off knob twiddling, got lost after about a week or two, then just recently started using the web editor and was better able to hunt for various settings. I might be the type of person who's less intimidated by that approach to UI than the secondary knob approach.
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby qersty » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:09 am

So you can modulate anything?
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby vidret » Fri Dec 17, 2021 8:51 am

qersty wrote:So you can modulate anything?


the (double) modulation can be assigned to the two delay lines, the two pitch shifters/phaser/flangers or the fx volume (tremolo).

I think when it's affecting fx volume it's only the one modulation, otherwise you can offset the phase and depth for each modulation.
When using the editor I'm pretty sure you can do whatever you want :lol:
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby qersty » Fri Dec 17, 2021 2:35 pm

Sounds really exciting! I had given up on finding something that could mimic the delay in ReNoise but this has crazy potential! Just need more taps...
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby Dowi » Mon Dec 20, 2021 5:52 am

Most excellent writeup(s) vidret, can't wait to check it out, it seems exactly what i want it to be (even a lot more)!
I am more in the freq-shifting side of it, and the fact that it can have two delay lines with independent filter and shifting controls -even in mono- is really something. I watched a bunch of demos and non of them explores the noisy/ring moddish side of it, but i went through the manual and it seems to be made exactly for that. This one and a pt2399 is gonna be a hell of a combo on my future board.

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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby vidret » Mon Dec 20, 2021 10:30 pm

Dowi wrote:Most excellent writeup(s) vidret, can't wait to check it out, it seems exactly what i want it to be (even a lot more)!
I am more in the freq-shifting side of it, and the fact that it can have two delay lines with independent filter and shifting controls -even in mono- is really something. I watched a bunch of demos and non of them explores the noisy/ring moddish side of it, but i went through the manual and it seems to be made exactly for that. This one and a pt2399 is gonna be a hell of a combo on my future board.

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nice, glad I could enlighten some peeps.

I don't think it's two independent filters, perhaps in the editor there is?
It'll def do your annoying ring mod sounds :lol:

I'm running this and an analog delay or pt2399 delay with two dirts for my entire board right now. This is doing oscillations and phasing/flanging.
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby frigid midget » Wed Dec 22, 2021 6:38 am

fak. Comes at the exact wrong moment, but I now want one. Bad. Thanks a lot :no:
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby vidret » Wed Dec 22, 2021 8:50 am

disclaimer: this didn't push a delay off my board, it pushed a phaser off my board. :lol:
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby qersty » Thu Dec 23, 2021 7:38 am

I'm reading the manual now. It does frequency shifting too?!?!?!?! :drool:
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Re: Red Panda - Raster 2 (it's a small dual delay ya'll)

Postby Dandolin » Thu Dec 23, 2021 10:56 am

came here to say they had me at frequency shiftin' :snax:
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