Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses



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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Tue Dec 21, 2021 8:46 pm

pretty nice overview of some of the bases and possibilities for frequency shiftin' featuring the new Doepfer A-126-2 :snax:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zl4GaaMdtnU
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Tue Dec 21, 2021 9:20 pm

:thumb: Good find! :love:
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:36 pm

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Tue Dec 21, 2021 10:51 pm

You got me lookin'/listenin' out & this's what I found:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jefIRWSmsb8

… and same uploader done did this:



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dWniQ_Mkx3g
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Tue Dec 21, 2021 11:59 pm

Excellent! :love:

also, Arctic Monkeys trying to tell us something :snax:

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Sat Jan 01, 2022 10:45 am

Another (expensive) one of these for sale (in Oz this time):

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https://reverb.com/item/48706650-studio ... x-ring-mod

(crossposted from the "purple" thread, of course) :idk: :snax:
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Fri Jan 07, 2022 3:44 pm

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Sat Jan 15, 2022 11:46 am

I think lordgalvar got one of those and wasn't too impressed. :snax:

Also, good price on an early V1 Randy's Revenge w/ just a broken switch?

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https://reverb.com/item/49397266-fairfi ... -modulator

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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Mon Jan 17, 2022 4:10 pm

just came across this statement on the interwebz: "A great audio example of classic RingMod is the soundtrack to Forbidden Planet. IIRC 90% of it is 2 sine generators (using incandescent bulbs!) and a Ring Mod, tuning the oscillators by hand."

going to do some more research to see how close this comes to the truth, but taking it for granted and listening to the main title music generated a very strong feeling of wanting to dig deeper into my various ring/balance mod processors in '22 (so what else is new) :snax: :joy:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=unSrf-htPbk
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dowi » Mon Jan 17, 2022 6:19 pm

Chankgeez wrote:I think lordgalvar got one of those and wasn't too impressed. :snax:

Also, good price on an early V1 Randy's Revenge w/ just a broken switch?

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https://reverb.com/item/49397266-fairfi ... -modulator

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wait, is there more than 1 version of the Randy's? didn't know about that. It's on a components level? interface -wise they always looked the same :idk:
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Mon Jan 17, 2022 7:18 pm

yeah, the switch-over from v1 to v2 was pretty early on
Chank knows more about it than me - i think v2s are cleaner and with less bleed maybe? :idk:
oh, and i seem to dimly remember hearing that the v2s can go full-wet on the blend while the v1s can't?
but maybe i'm just making that shit up :hobbes:
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Chankgeez » Mon Jan 17, 2022 8:03 pm

I think the first 1,000 or so are V1. :idk: Then Guillaume redesigned it. I guess it was a complicated build.

Not sure if there's necessarily less bleed (probably), but V1s are definitely a little warmer. I can't remember about the blend either (and I only have a V1 here with me now). :idk:

V2s defintely have more functionality (CV and programming choices) and a greater range though.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Mon Jan 17, 2022 9:31 pm

see, i knew you'd have the intel :)*
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby lordgalvar » Tue Jan 18, 2022 5:37 pm

Dandolin wrote:i missed this one :snax:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OMlUlLGrR1M


It is a DBA Space Ring that Dino modified the circuit for some more functionality.

Same thing as the deadendfx PCBs...different layout.

It is a fun pedal. Don't know if I agree with the way dude marketed it though (no mention of the lineage). Would rather give have the deadend (which I still have to cut sheet metal for, but have both and the original DBA).

Studio ModMax? That one is ok...kind of too much at the same time with all the envelope, LFO and a kind of CV bus going on. It wants a hot signal though (semi-annoyingly). It is looking for what feels like something over line level. It is a diode ring mod too and probably more useful in the box than the lovetone (with way less CV options).

The new CG XR-1E is a blast though. The sample and hold controlled by envelope is some much fun! Each time I hit the string, new randomized rate tremolo! Which can be modified by an LFO. The jack placement is no fun though, but I do like the external foot switch jack...opens up some possibilities.
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Re: Ring (and/or Balanced) Modulation for the masses

Postby Dandolin » Tue Jan 18, 2022 8:02 pm

thanks for the downlow, lg! :joy:

had no idea of the backstory on that Discomfort Designs jawn.... :/

i will forever vacillate on that ModMax - i feel similarly about it - a lot of controls that may fit in with the series "concept" but don't necessarily add up to better or more interesting ringmod tones :idk:

i had the phaser and liked it/miss it, but it didn't quite elevate into my upper phaser pantheon - best part about imo was the "flood" circuit

i really expected to like the filter *less*, so i am mildly surprised at how much i really have liked it. i need to reevaluate tho in light of the many filters i've now tried in eurorack - i feel like i was very naive about filters until recently, and i still think i overall prefer tones that are built up in other ways...well, check that - i prefer to use filters as a type of "waveshaper" more than a modulation effect.

unlike balanced modulation which i love more and more every day it seems :rock:

anyway, back on topic - the ModMax RingMod is def the best *looking* ModMax and ringmod afaic :lol:

the XR-1E is so awesome :omg: - it was insta-lust when i saw/heard the OG, and it took me a long time to score one - kinda wish it had taken me longer because the updates look fantastic! :cry: :lol:
gotta keep up my streak of v1 regrets :facepalm:

still don't feel too bad tho, because it has basically killed all "clean" balanced mod GAS and turned me back to the dirtier stuff :p
even without the new tricks, it's always a joy to hear the XR-1E
still may score an X someday tho because it is so cheap comparatively and fits in so well with a more "modular" concept :snax:
i think i've had at least as much fun modulating cv signals as audio at this point :D
and thinking about balanced modulation as a strange type of "convolution" rather than frequency or time domain multiplication :trippy:
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