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I'll try to keep it short...

-Used to have a DL4 for the longest time. It became overkill for me, meh build quality and reliability, too big. Has a handful of modes I really miss though.
-The Timebender I just got isn't doing it for me. Except for the looper and maybe the envelope mode, there's not really anything special going on with those different modes, they all sound the same to me, and the modulation is super lame and can't be tweaked in any way.

So budget whise it'd make sense for me to downgrade atm, I could really use a couple extra bucks right now.

So I might be in the market for a digital delay that's NOT in the price/size range of a strymon/eventide or whatever.

Other requirement:

-A bit more inspiring and adventurious than the Boss DD7 or Hardwire DL8.
-No need for osclillating space ship bleeps either, nor top notch analog emulation. I've got my analog delay stuff covered.

I figured the Echo Park might be the right bread and butter kinda digital delay that won't cost me too much, but still brings a little bit more to the table than the DL8 I used to have. Which in general sounded fucking amazing imo, sat great in a mix, whiped the floor with the DL4 as far as overal audio quality, bypass, and build quality goes imo. And the looper was pretty powerful too I guess. But the analog/lofi/tape modes all sounded the same, and the modulated setting doesn't at all sound quite as juicy as the Echo Park's sweep mode

So what I'm sorta asking: For what I'm after, is there anything out there that can compete with the echo park, dispite its so-so build quality and god aweful aesthetics? I'm particularly interested in hearing about delays peds that have a reverse mode like that of the DD-5, instead of the typical somewhat unmusical type that just repeats a single reversed phrase, with no dry signal coming through...

Line 6 M5 perhaps? A lot of different sounds, including the echo park stuff, but with better build quality and more options?
Personally I'd never buy an Echo Park or any in the same series, unless I had it rehoused. I might've been unlucky I had a Verbzilla for a very short time and it's the only pedal, except my Ibanez DE-7, that I felt was falling apart. The Ibanez after heavy use for a few years. The Verbzilla after just a couple of months, and not so heavy use at all.

Have you checked out the Stereo Memory Man w/ Hazarai? That is probably my favorite bread and butter delay pedal.

The thing is, I don't have any use for 90% of the other effects packed in the M5
MM w/ Hazarai: I'll check it out, thnks for the tip. The bazillions of different memory man/boy variations throughout the years confuse the shit out of me. It makes me nervous to buy a pedal that has good chance of becoming outdated and worthless on the used market when a week after I bought it, an upgraded version of the same pedal pops up

So correct me if I'm wrong here: The MM w/ Hazarai is EHX's one and only delay that's digital and has a bunch of different modes, including a looper and reverse mode...Right?

I'm not too crazy about the Line 6's enclosure either, and there's no way I'm gonna bother drilling a fresh enclosure and transplant that beeatch...

Behringer Echo Park clone and a TB loop? That's been my solution for bread n butter delay to balance the weird wonder of the Echo Degrader and CT5.

I'm mostly happy with it, but will admit to eyeing the new Boss thing and the TC triple delay (damn you, Knobs. Damn you to hell). Both would take up only slightly more space than my current config and offer more oddities.

One of these days I'll try the Hazarai.

frigid midget wrote:So correct me if I'm wrong here: The MM w/ Hazarai is EHX's one and only delay that's digital and has a bunch of different modes, including a looper and reverse mode...Right?

Not 100% sure on it being their only digi delay, but yes - looper (which can be used in any other mode as well), reverse, multi-tap, mod, etc. I love mine!

spacelordmother wrote:

frigid midget wrote:So correct me if I'm wrong here: The MM w/ Hazarai is EHX's one and only delay that's digital and has a bunch of different modes, including a looper and reverse mode...Right?

Not 100% sure on it being their only digi delay, but yes - looper (which can be used in any other mode as well), reverse, multi-tap, mod, etc. I love mine!

Pretty sure it's not their only digital delay, but I think it's their only 'fancy' one at the moment. The other memory man delays are analog, right?

doommeow wrote:Behringer Echo Park clone

This ^ Don't let the price fool you. These delays are great. Got one from my SS last year and it's awesome.

Echo park. Sounds awesome. Weighs a shit ton. Worst bypass switch ever.
Avoid.

So...

The Behringer's EM600 switch is better than that of the Echo Park?

And to be clear...There's a cheaper clone of the Echo Park out there (behringer), but not really anything that can be considered a slightly better version of the same basic concept? I mean, I'm sure an Eventide Timefactor can do most or even all of the Echo Park's tricks plus a ton more, but it's huge and costs about as much as the rest of my pedalboard together.

Been looking at the TC Electronics delays and the MM w/ Hazarai. More suggestions in the same category are welcome.

The tone core stuff is insanely solidly built, no doubt about it. Makes a boss feel like cheap plastic But the switching is weird - you have to step on it awfully hard to activate it, but it's like despite that you don't get any tactile feedback confirming it's engaged.

Behringer is the opposite. The plastic feels shit, the knobs feel worse. But the switching is standard boss style and feels ok. Not good. But ok. I only have a behringer clone of the xt-2 and have never gigged it but it hasn't shown any signs of breaking despite looking like it wants to. If bypass is important, the bypass on the behringer clone colours the signal a bit while the boss doesn't. Not sure what the delay is like though.

Sorry. Random thoughts...

What about one of these
http://www.nuxefx.com/product_detail.ph ... 9%26id2=45

The muza fd-900 is also on a few dude's boards and seems pretty original and cheap to boot.

I don't really know, the only thing I can say is that for a bread and butter digital delay I'd look at Boss first and foremost.

frigid midget wrote: It makes me nervous to buy a pedal that has good chance of becoming outdated and worthless on the used market when a week after I bought it, an upgraded version of the same pedal pops up
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All I know is I got one when they first came out five seven or whatever years ago, traded it away, recently a friend got one and I was floored by how much fun it still was to play with.

Tristan wrote:I don't really know, the only thing I can say is that for a bread and butter digital delay I'd look at Boss first and foremost.

I love boss peds and all, but I was hoping for someking of step up from the Hardwire DL-8 I used to have...And I'm not really convinced the DD-7 would be that much better in whatever wauy

The main reason why I concidered the Echo Park: I really like the Sweep mode, it's pretty unique as far as I know of...
I know I could just get a bypass looper switch to avoid the shitty switching on the Echo Park, but instead of sacrifising extra board space and another $30 bucks, I'd rather look at other options...

That NUX seems pretty impressive for the money. True bupass, stereo, 40 sec looping,...
But those modes might be a bit TOO bread and butter if you know what I mean. Digital, analog, mod, reverse, pin pong, looper,...Also pretty much the same as what I'd get from a Flashback, DL-8, or DD-7

So yeah, I'm seriously liking those little extras I'd get from the MM w/ Hazarai.