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So, I have read that California is going to run out of water in a year. Then Gov. Jerry Brown imposes water restrictions, which seems very reactionary…shouldn't this have been done decades ago? I always thought that California, as a whole, was more proactive about environmental protection than a lot of places. I do get it. there are large businesses there which do the things that large businesses do like harm the environment. I also understand that there is a lot of agriculture in the state that is water-intensive as well.
If California does run out of water, it seems like the start of something big. I get that there are plenty of other signs of the degradation of our world, but this seems different, maybe like a modern day dust bowl or something. I live in Florida and there are water concerns here, our water table had dropped a lot for a few years but it seems to be rebounding a bit although all it takes a few years that have a bit less rain. Florida has a lot of agriculture business, sugar cane growers are messing up the Everglades and Lake Okeechobee while be subsidized by the Federal government. Our Governor, Rick Scott (aka Voldemort),has banned state workers from saying climate change (WTF?)!
So, how much further are we going down the spiral? Is California going to turn into a Mad max situation over water? Will our fuzz brothers unite and solve these issues with the power of fuzz love? Are we going to start sucking Canada Dry (see that ) and have a pipeline of fresh water coming from there?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gD3Yq4AGmOo[/youtube]

I know this is going to sound stupid, but with enough ingenuity and research and resources...couldn't we take the salt out of massive amounts of salt water? I mean, clouds do it.

Not that I care. I'm like 4 blocks away from one of the largest freshwater lakes in the world.

There are several places that already incorporate Desalination for farming and things.

D.o.S. wrote:There are several places that already incorporate Desalination for farming and things.

Thats going to require a ton of energy usage.

We're kind of fucked and many people don't realize it. People think water just comes from the tap, because the tap Gods willed from the spring of eternity.

stuff like this bums me out to say the least. humans are pretty sweet, but also can really suck sometimes. every politician is all about jobs and maintaining exponential growth, but is missing out the fact that the government is really the only thing in place that can deal with serious large scale issues like this. not that i'm blaming the government for all that is happening. i mean, it is the basis of our entire system to deplete all available resources just so that we can give people something to do. i'm not an apocalypse is near kind of guy, but it will certainly be interesting to see how we deal with these things once we mess things up enough to not have any alternative but to deal with them.

snipelfritz wrote:
Not that I care. I'm like 4 blocks away from one of the largest freshwater lakes in the world.

You'll care when all those people invade eastward looking for water.

Another problem with current desalinization methods is they devastate the coastal habitat where it happens. (Confession: I know almost nothing about this, just heard about it on npr)

I know this is a very small part of the huge problem, but I'm only showering twice a week and being careful not to waste water when I do my dishes. I also have been training the employees at my coffee shop on ways to save water at work.

It's a frustrating problem because big agriculture is like 80% of the water use, so every citizen bedding over backwards won't make a big difference, then people are fracking in the Central Valley wasting millions of gallons, and Nestle is bottling millions of gallons to ship to wal mart. Frick me.
Whatever. I'm still doing my part.

PeteeBee wrote:Another problem with current desalinization methods is they devastate the coastal habitat where it happens. (Confession: I know almost nothing about this, just heard about it on npr) .

I don't know anything. My whole argument was "Clouds do it."

Ugly Nora wrote:

snipelfritz wrote:Not that I care. I'm like 4 blocks away from one of the largest freshwater lakes in the world.

You'll care when all those people invade eastward looking for water.

Ooooh, good point. I should buy a bunch of land and build work camps in order to exploit cheap, desperate migrant labor. With the direction things are going around here, labor laws wont exist anyway by then.

Come at me California! I have guns waiting for you and your "I want water" attitudes!!!!!!!!!

I'd assume there's going to be a drought like most years, but how could they run out of water? There have been water restrictions here in the past, not a lot, but I remember them.

It'll be fine. People are such fear mongers. Besides, the article I read said you won't even know if the new methods of water managing will work for 30 fucking years. hahaha. Way to go Walt Disney! Yes I'm going to blame him. I don't know why but I hated Orange County and that sticks in my head. Plus the fucking mouse.

Hah! It's on the news right now! Right now!!!


Seriously though. Just stop doing so much shit with water you uppity bastards.

Golf courses, large institutions like Universities and Disney sucking up water.

Also Nestle is bottling tons of water in Cali.

I don't think it is fear mongering anymore, some things are coming to a head. We can't just keep sucking the Earth dry.

This video is scary and sad.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_bxk64kbM30[/youtube]

This isn't the full episode, I saw it on HBO.

Better learn to swim.


[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uCEeAn6_QJo[/youtube]

Ok, lecture time!

HUGE amounts of water are used and lost through agricultural pursuits. Tilling soil - loses water, nutrients and destroys microorganism balance right from the get-go. In Nature, soil always gets covered by either mulch or weeds (that are not actually harmful in any way, and are just plants that thrive in that sort of environment, you can tell the state of the soil depending on which weeds grow in it). The reason for the ground cover is simple, RETAINING WATER. What agriculture does is contrary to nature and common sense.

PERMACULTURE for instance uses mulch cover, plants in a manner to combine big leaf-cultures (crop covers) AND productive tree cover; along with dams and swales that hold water; making all/most watering come from rain; using the water in a most efficient manner, AND getting more production per acre then agriculture. (I wonder why? must not be the good state they keep their soil in and the intact fungal networks that redistribute nutrients, or the vast water reserves protected by plants and root system, duuuh)
tags: Geoff Lawton, re-greening the desert

Well that's one huge thing you can do. To be efficient.
Swap out agriculture for permaculture, finance permaculture farmes instead of monocroppers, things like that.

More in the next episode of 'lecture time'.
If they can do it in a desert in Jordan, they can do it anywhere.

So the problem is the sea level is raising. Regardless of any changes that occur now, it will not stop. It's an unstoppable occurrence/force. We are pretty much fucked if you believe what scientists are saying. http://www.theguardian.com/environment/ ... -sea-level

There's more info than that out there obviously, but the Earth is doing it's process now and I don't believe we can reverse it. Sure we can make the next 100 years better, but we're still fucked. It's sad that man has doomed himself, but what can we do? You have to change BILLIONS of people's minds in order to make any impact, which is not going to happen as a lot of people just don't care. Sad world we live in.

I can think of a few countries fucking it up pretty bad. But I don't want to be that guy and lay blame. We are all guilty.