Doctor X wrote:this persecuted minority thing is quite interesting, i dont know if its always been a theme since the 1960s or so and the social revolutions that occurred in 'the west', but it certainly seems to be getting stronger and shriller in the propaganda in recent years.
i can see that with the rise of this oppressive and militant fundamentalist islam in countries with sharia law (or close to it) that there is no doubt christians are persecuted in those places - hey, im an athiest, now you know what its been like for us all these centuries!
but i do find it bizarre to claim to be a persecuted minority in the usa when it seems like every single politician, news reader, media person, etc claims to be a christian or 'person of faith' and are always going on about 'prayers'.
whenever there is some kind of natural disaster they say 'we are praying for them'.
is that how god works? he makes a tsunami, kills loads of people, then all the rest have to have other people 'pray' for them to survive?
or someone goes missing and we have to pray for them to be found safe?
is that how it works? a little child goes missing, and if you dont pray then you dont get them back? so god is sitting there, waiting for you to pray, if you you dont pray enough little johnny is found dead?
anyway, whatever .... this persecuted minority thing just seems to be saying 'you wont let us be bigots anymore', hey dont worry, you can still be a bigot if you want to, but we are all in this together, so you are going to have to learn to accept other people a bit better and not impose yourself upon them
Well, if the Christians in the media and Catholic church understood the Bible then they would know that God has nothing to do with the wars that are waging, the famines plaguing Africa, the tsunami's ravaging coastlines, or anything else disastrous. God doesn't answer prayers by helping you to find kidnapped children. He didn't help the Nazis or the Japanese in WWII, and neither did he help the Allied Forces. They all died horrific deaths because they were killing each other, just as the Bible predicted they would. The Bible says that God knew this was going to happen, and he let it happen. Why? Because humanity is fucking stupid and we cannot look after ourselves. It was to prove a point, in layman's terms.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:20 pm
by D.o.S.
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:Problem: False-equivocation bullshit is just that, bullshit.
If you're part of the majority, even by virtue of being the biggest minority, you don't get to sue for discrimination. The idea that Christianity is discriminated against in the media (esp. that "liberal mainstream media") is laughable and wrong.
edit: I will say that this conversation is way more interesting than talking about JHS pedals, which are unexciting and lame.
See but to me that is also part of the problem, discrimination by default should have no bounds. There should be no person that can't be discriminated against, otherwise you destroy the validity of the system, at the same time no person should be discriminated against.
I don't know about your neck of the woods but because I'm right outside of DC our news is very politico-centered, maybe out news stations present things differently but here they very clear associate Christian's and their values with Republican's and their values. They constantly connect the two unnecessarily to try and make it very well known that they go hand in hand and that if you support the ideaology and agenda pushed by the liberal owned news stations then you should, like them, be against Christians and Republicans as one and the same; a "potential terrorist threat".
They've even gone as far as to label the founding fathers as "domestic terrorists" and denounced them for what they did to the point that they won't even teach kids about the Boston Tea Party in school anymore as its considered as bad if not worse than 9/11.
What. The. Fuck.
That's absurd.
I agree that there's no one that can't be discriminated against, but I do think that some claims of discrimination are more valid than others.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:55 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
Doctor X wrote:but i do find it bizarre to claim to be a persecuted minority in the usa when it seems like every single politician, news reader, media person, etc claims to be a christian or 'person of faith' and are always going on about 'prayers'.
This may be true in England but it is no longer true here in America. Our president is Muslim, he never says prayers or says he will pray for anyone and has actively sought to have all prayers (christian or otherwise) taken out of government events. Not that I have anything wrong with that personally. The only politicians open about being Christian tend to side themselves with the Republicans, and Media Personalities in public broadcast media are banned from expressing their relgion or expressing the thought of prayer on air by the FCC, unless it is strictly licensed as a a religious channel, at which point it is taxed differently and restricted as far as broadcasting.
My main thing is to take the minority or majority out of it, there should be no persecution of anyone sans convicted criminals.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 3:58 pm
by D.o.S.
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
Doctor X wrote:but i do find it bizarre to claim to be a persecuted minority in the usa when it seems like every single politician, news reader, media person, etc claims to be a christian or 'person of faith' and are always going on about 'prayers'.
This may be true in England but it is no longer true here in America. Our president is Muslim, he never says prayers or says he will pray for anyone and has actively sought to have all prayers (christian or otherwise) taken out of government events. Not that I have anything wrong with that personally. The only politicians open about being Christian tend to side themselves with the Republicans, and Media Personalities in public broadcast media are banned from expressing their relgion or expressing the thought of prayer on air by the FCC, unless it is strictly licensed as a a religious channel, at which point it is taxed differently and restricted as far as broadcasting.
My main thing is to take the minority or majority out of it, there should be no persecution of anyone sans convicted criminals.
D.o.S. wrote:I agree that there's no one that can't be discriminated against, but I do think that some claims of discrimination are more valid than others.
Validity is not a sliding scale, it is either valid or invalid.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:01 pm
by D.o.S.
Glad you got the reference.
However: claiming that Christians are being discriminated against is invalid: they're being treated the same way as any other religion by people who're secular.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:01 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
D.o.S. wrote:For the record, this is wrong -- Obama's not a Muslim.
Then why did he take a Muslim name when he turned 21? His birth name is Barry Soetoro, when he turned of age he took on a muslim name as required by the faith. He makes no qualms of this.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:04 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
D.o.S. wrote: Glad you got the reference.
However: claiming that Christians are being discriminated against is invalid: they're being treated the same way as any other religion by people who're secular.
My main point is that they are being labeled as "Domestic Terrorists" by our current administration and that information is being relayed by all major news channels, I'm not saying they are being treated by people any different. All religions are discriminated against in some way or another, theres no denying that.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:06 pm
by D.o.S.
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:For the record, this is wrong -- Obama's not a Muslim.
Then why did he take a Muslim name when he turned 21? His birth name is Barry Soetoro, when he turned of age he took on a muslim name as required by the faith. He makes no qualms of this.
However: claiming that Christians are being discriminated against is invalid: they're being treated the same way as any other religion by people who're secular.
My main point is that they are being labeled as "Domestic Terrorists" by our current administration and that information is being relayed by all major news channels, I'm not saying they are being treated by people any different. All religions are discriminated against in some way or another, theres no denying that.
This is where we've reached the broad point of "ok, sure."
I've never seen any credible news sources say that Christians as a whole are being labelled Domestic Terrorists, just some relatively-fringe evangelical groups. That could be on me, though.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:16 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
D.o.S. wrote:
Ancient Astronaught wrote:
D.o.S. wrote:For the record, this is wrong -- Obama's not a Muslim.
Then why did he take a Muslim name when he turned 21? His birth name is Barry Soetoro, when he turned of age he took on a muslim name as required by the faith. He makes no qualms of this.
Wow the NSA has a done a thorough sweep..... Yes that ID is fake that was proven days after it was posted, but there was a video of him before he became president where he discusses it but I haven't looked for it in 2 years. If I can find it I'll post it, but he openly discusses the name change and why he did it.
But as far as everything searchable on google, yes he says hes christian (born islamic, converted to atheist and then accepted christianity). As far as his actions he's helped repress christianity and promote the muslim faith, so I dunno.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:19 pm
by pelliott
Ohhhhh boy
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:21 pm
by Chankgeez
pelliott wrote:Ohhhhh boy
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:22 pm
by D.o.S.
Yeah I don't know if I can co-sign that one.
Don't worry AA -- I still love ya buddy.
Re: JHS = Bullshit?
Posted: Fri May 16, 2014 4:30 pm
by Ancient Astronaught
D.o.S. wrote:This is where we've reached the broad point of "ok, sure."
I've never seen any credible news sources say that Christians as a whole are being labelled Domestic Terrorists, just some relatively-fringe evangelical groups. That could be on me, though.
They aren't coming out and saying the whole group, but everytime they they label a new group as domestic terrorists they tend to tie in their faith.
D.o.S. wrote:Yeah I don't know if I can co-sign that one.
Don't worry AA -- I still love ya buddy.
And that's cool, I'm not gonna sit here and argue it to death if I can't find the evidence to back it up. I know what I saw and watched, I know what I've read, and I also know that since most of the NSA scandals have broken out I can't find any of it anymore.... coincidence, maybe? me smoking way toooo much pot, yet another maybe
I know ya do, and I still love ya too buddy. We all need somebody to peacefully argue with haha
That's absurd.
Glad you got the reference.