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Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 5:25 pm
by D.o.S.
And Sagan's Pale Blue Dot!
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nl5dlbCh8lY[/youtube]
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 6:46 pm
by Ghost Hip
D.o.S. wrote:Honestly, the whole "ever-present totality and finality of death" kick serves as a consistent drive to me to create things of quality that will exist after I'm dead, and pushes me towards creating a positive environment for my friends, family, and the people around me. Not because of a reward once I die (though if that shit turns out to be real, that'll be one hell of a trip), but because it makes for a more fulfilling life--both personally and creatively. That Bukowski quote is fucking golden, and I think it should be reiterated for emphasis.
I agree with this as well. Reminds me of an idea from Gregory Bateson: All living things die, but awareness of death is the pre-condition for life's meaningfulness.
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:12 pm
by kbit
Achtane wrote:Have any known ILFers died?
I sometimes wonder what would happen if that were me, if people would notice my absence online. It's really just like a drop off. No telling if someone lost internet access or just doesn't visit a site anymore or died.
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 7:54 pm
by Big Mon
jfrey wrote:I do not claim to have any knowledge which I don't. I only claim to not have knowledge which I don't. This is a logical position, and following this, that which is without evidence, or reasonable assumption, can be dismissed, and what remains observable, or reasonably likely must be - with retained skepticism - accepted.
Reality, is reality. What is, is. There is no such thing as a personal reality. There is perception, and our perceptions will differ greatly based on our lives, environments, etc. But perception is merely interpretation of reality, and not reality itself. Our inability to know exactly, in a perfectly measurable non-conceptual way, what reality is, does not make reality somehow non-existant. To say that one of us has children and the other does not, does not mean our reality is different. It means we both live in the reality in which one of us has children and the other does not.
From what I do observe in people, thinking otherwise is horrifyingly destructive. Worse, few ever seem to realize. If anything they believe it is in fact the opposite. And, I would wish no harm to befall anyone. Even, if it is harm they never notice.
PM'd you
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:17 pm
by Blackened Soul
jfrey wrote:I do not claim to have any knowledge which I don't. I only claim to not have knowledge which I don't. This is a logical position, and following this, that which is without evidence, or reasonable assumption, can be dismissed, and what remains observable, or reasonably likely must be - with retained skepticism - accepted.
Reality, is reality. What is, is. There is no such thing as a personal reality. There is perception, and our perceptions will differ greatly based on our lives, environments, etc. But perception is merely interpretation of reality, and not reality itself. Our inability to know exactly, in a perfectly measurable non-conceptual way, what reality is, does not make reality somehow non-existant.
But you see this is your point of view. Your perception is that perception has nothing to do with reality and that reality is set in stone and based on what you can see... or what others have said that you believe or not. The problem with that is new discoveries are always happening so to say one thing this is real or not real is only a belief just like any other. The reality about death is you will only know when you die. You could sense to exist, you could be damned to hell and torched by Satan for not believing in the Christian god, you could reincarnate, you could become Ron Hubbard's love slave in a transdimensional heart shaped bed, there are countless possibilities to a reality that is unknowable until it is too late.
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 9:41 pm
by Big Mon
^^^ I'd take "torched by Satan" over Scientological transdimensional sodomy any day
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:32 pm
by dubkitty
blooghost wrote:^^^ I'd take "torched by Satan" over Scientological transdimensional sodomy any day
+1, and i'm nominally Christian
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:40 pm
by Big Mon
dubkitty wrote:blooghost wrote:^^^ I'd take "torched by Satan" over Scientological transdimensional sodomy any day
+1, and i'm nominally Christian
Well, yeah, because Satan would just be all black metal- screechy while he broils your ass. I'd imagine in the case of the latter, L. Ron would wanna snuggle and share feelings about the Cosmos and Archons n' shit afterwards
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 10:47 pm
by D.o.S.
Scientology aside, FEAR was a really fun book.
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:26 pm
by Big Mon
D.o.S. wrote:Scientology aside, FEAR was a really fun book.
Is it? Didn't know he did anything other than Dianetics (which I'm not sure if it's an on-going series, or just the one book). Leave no literary stone unturned, I say
I enjoy watching stupid Youtube videos on the Illuminati myself
WHAT HAS THIS THREAD BECOME?!?!?!
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Tue Jan 22, 2013 11:59 pm
by D.o.S.
Dude was a sci-fi/horror pulp writer before he wrote Dianetics (which is one self-help book). Some of it is good. Some of it is not. But if you're into mid 20th century horror fiction, they're worth checking out.
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:03 am
by Achtane
kbithecrowing wrote:Achtane wrote:Have any known ILFers died?
I sometimes wonder what would happen if that were me, if people would notice my absence online. It's really just like a drop off. No telling if someone lost internet access or just doesn't visit a site anymore or died.
Maybe I should write down some instructions, you know, like in movies where the dude got into trouble and got fucked but left behind a video that was all "if you're watching this, I got fucked".
Except mine would tell someone to log into ILF and be all "btw achtane got fucked".
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:07 am
by kbit
Achtane wrote:kbithecrowing wrote:Achtane wrote:Have any known ILFers died?
I sometimes wonder what would happen if that were me, if people would notice my absence online. It's really just like a drop off. No telling if someone lost internet access or just doesn't visit a site anymore or died.
Maybe I should write down some instructions, you know, like in movies where the dude got into trouble and got fucked but left behind a video that was all "if you're watching this, I got fucked".
Except mine would tell someone to log into ILF and be all "btw achtane got fucked".
I could be your messenger .
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:10 am
by Achtane
Yeah, that works. And the same goes for you.
Re: DO YOU FEAR DEATH????
Posted: Wed Jan 23, 2013 12:19 am
by dubkitty
i've actually thought about this, and intend to leave directions for someone surviving me to post on here and my other home forums to let folks know what happened.