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Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:06 pm
by Ghost Hip
I came into this way too late and am playing catch up... but all I can say is what a dick. I'm really baffled by the whole situation, but like devi said somewhere I'm also trying to divorce Billy from the Pumpkins music I love and grew up with. They are not the same thing.
Thats about all I can say.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:07 pm
by htsamurai
bubstance wrote:ohsojayadeva wrote:Devi responds to a simple and
exceptionally relevant question by telling me to fuck off... but I'm the troll.
But for someone who (seemingly) blindly accepts the claims of workers for Cort without need for another side, you certainly seem to have it out to kill Devi's credibility by questioning everything she posts (much like a few fine folks did in your thread).
It seems more like you ARE the troll.
motherfucker, you must be joking.
have you never heard of DE before?
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:08 pm
by modernage
masked elwood wrote::lol: that was pretty funny actually...........
i'll take devi over billy any day.
but.....
this is none of my bizz so i'll stay out of it.
i'll just say that i'm not surprised that it turned out bad....billy is nothing but bad vibes.
dubkitty wrote:the whole thing seems like a match made in heaven to me...Corgan has always seemed like the biggest jackwagon in modern rock to me--i'll always love Sharon Osbourne, during her brief tenure as manager of Zwan, for calling him "a baldy cunt in a dress"--and
the posters on that Netphoria thread are the most astounding and appalling collection of PC bigots i've seen in quite some time. they should all set each other on fire and improve the planet.
The only two reasonable posts in this thread. This really is none of our business. Honestly who cares. Everyone's getting all emotional and shit.
This could have been easily avoided. This is what happens when you mix your personal life with work. I'm not telling you you have to change, but if your online presence continues to be Devi Ever the person, AND Devi Ever the company, you will continue to be dragged into the sort of rubbish. It is cool to be able to say "I can interact with the owner of this company, or a member of this band," or whomever else the internet can bring together, but you have to ask yourself why Tom, or Ryan, or Aen, or any of the other builders here, or Marc (from Skreddy), or Paul C, etc, doesn't have this kind of stuff follow them around.
When you're involved in something bigger than yourself you often have to hold your tongue, or take one on the cheek, or up the arse. People get screwed over all the time. It's part of life. It doesn't mean you have to enjoy it, you just have to choose your battles wisely, because if you take part in every war you will wear yourself out quickly. I wish we were for reals friends IRL, because maybe something I would say could mean something. This isn't a jab, which I'm sure I have done in the past, and for that I'm sorry. I just hate seeing the cycle reoccurring. When it comes down to it, at the end of the day, we're all the same.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:11 pm
by modernage
Also, if we stopped listening to every megalomanic who made music, then we would have nothing good to listen to.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:18 pm
by devi ever
modernage wrote:When you're involved in something bigger than yourself you often have to hold your tongue, or take one on the cheek, or up the arse.
No. I really don't.
Never have... never will... and quite frankly, I like it that way.
I've held my tounge for the better part of this year, generally speaking, and no... playing the moderate route has never been my game.
As HT and Caeser like to say... "C'mon guys! It's Devi! G'awwwww! What did you expect? Drama drama rabble rabble rabble"
ILF was built on the backs and bones of my old tirades... don't deny it's in your bones.... etc. etc.
Hell, I've hardly been the one keeping the flame going on all this mess across the internet the past 12 hours... yet somehow, it all comes back to me.... doesn't it?
That's fine. I accept the fact I'm a lightning rod for drama... doesn't mean I have to take it lying down.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:33 pm
by Ghost Hip
modernage wrote:Also, if we stopped listening to every megalomanic who made music, then we would have nothing good to listen to.
modernage wrote:Everyone's getting all emotional and shit.
I'm not going to stop listening to his music. I'm going to stop listening to him. Yes a lot of dicks make good music but it's still disappointing to find out the dude who made your favorite music is
still a dick. Some people are gonna get emotional. I don't think anyone should stop listening to the music they love because of the person who created it but its alright to get upset about it. It's natural.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 12:51 pm
by aen
It's been a long time since I wanted to shit in someone's mouth.
BUT I AM FEELING THAT FEELING, BILLY. I AM FEELING THAT WAY.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:04 pm
by ech0es
THIS !
wow. you are like that average girl in high school that has the crush on the jock and everything he does is awesome, until you finally get the courage to talk to him and you get rejected - then you never liked him anyway, and he has sucked since the 3rd grade.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonance
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:09 pm
by modernage
devi ever wrote:modernage wrote:When you're involved in something bigger than yourself you often have to hold your tongue, or take one on the cheek, or up the arse.
No. I really don't.
Never have... never will... and quite frankly, I like it that way.
I've held my tounge for the better part of this year, generally speaking, and no... playing the moderate route has never been my game.
As HT and Caeser like to say... "C'mon guys! It's Devi! G'awwwww! What did you expect? Drama drama rabble rabble rabble"
ILF was built on the backs and bones of my old tirades... don't deny it's in your bones.... etc. etc.
Hell, I've hardly been the one keeping the flame going on all this mess across the internet the past 12 hours... yet somehow, it all comes back to me.... doesn't it?
That's fine. I accept the fact I'm a lightning rod for drama... doesn't mean I have to take it lying down.
I apologize again. I was just under the assumption that you'd rather be known for fuzz. And to be honest, I don't really care how this site was built. That isn't what drew me here. And there hasn't been drama here at all up until recently. I just kind of miss the days when all we cared about was talking about music, fuzz, delay (which is the new fuzz), bacon, if McSpunkle is secretly a girl, how pretty HTS is, etc. I'm sure I'm not the only one.
You may not have been the one keeping the flame going, but you should have a good idea that starting a thread like this would be like leaving a large pile of firewood with a can of gasoline sitting next to it. Who cares if you walked away before the match was struck? This will unfortunately keep burning for days.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:15 pm
by devi ever
*shrugs*
I feel fine about what how I live my life and represent myself. It's not my problem if you and other people can't accept or understand that.
I made $250k in sales last year... shooting for the $500k in the next 7 months... and then $1 million + by 2012.
Go visit my facebook page... go check out the youtubes... there is no shortage of people who are cool with the way I represent myself.
Why should I be bothered by the random few on the internet who seem to take such issue with how I choose to live my life?
Seriously... if I'm the flame... people who can't get over how I act are like a bunch of mindless moths...
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:22 pm
by devi ever
Anyhow... back on subject... someone linked me to this... from Billy Corgan's confessions, available for full viewing here....
http://billycorgan.livejournal.com/11224.html :
One cool evening, I run into someone I see regularly out and about...we get to talking, and one thing leads to another, and she invites me back to her apartment...she makes me some soup, and after I am fed full, pulls me into her bed...the lights are turned off, and we start kissing...each time I try to touch her ‘down there’, she moves away from me and tenses up...this goes on for about 10 minutes until I finally ask if there is a problem...she says "there is something I have to tell you", and proceeds to tell me that she is a he...I jump up and flip on the light...she/he says "look, it’s not a big deal, I won’t tell anyone, please stay, I’ll do anything you want me to do"...I beg off politely, saying it’s not really my trip, and I’m *boom* out the door, on the street laughing to myself (how could I not know! Oops...) it occurs to me that I always thought she was a kind of weird looking girl anyway...I walked the 20 minutes home in the middle of the night, and was relieved to get back safe...I go inside, walk to the bathroom and throw on the light, and gasp when I see the massive hickie on my neck...of course, the next day the band is rehearsing, and when they see the mark, ask who I had ended up with...I lie and say it was a tourist type girl who had already left town...after a few weeks, friends start coming up and asking me if I had slept with the he/she...I feign ignorance at the whole matter, but I start to get angry because I felt I had been duped innocently, acted honorably, and now some sort of revenge was being played out...after a couple more weeks of this, I finally pulled "her" aside and said not so politely that if he didn’t stop telling people what had happened, that I would break both his arms and his legs...and that was the end of that...
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:23 pm
by ech0es
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cognitive_dissonanceOther related phenomena
There are a number of phenomena that relate to cognitive dissonance theory:
effort justification, where working for something causes someone to like it more;
Self-evaluation maintenance theory, in which the skills or interests that define us can cause dissonance when they appear superior in others close to us
counter-attitudinal advocacy, where behaviours supporting a dissonant attitude cause one to adopt that attitude;
post-decision dissonance, where one justifies an unalterable decision as the right one;
insufficient punishment, the practice of punishing a person without doing it so harshly that they can tell themselves "I still like the behaviour, but I avoid it because of the devastating punishment";
overjustification effect, when an intrinsic (internal) motivation is shifted to extrinsic motivations through external reward;balance theory, a general tendency to seek consonance between our views of others, and our views of their attitudes;
self-handicapping, avoiding effort in the hopes of keeping potential failure from hurting self-esteem;
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:27 pm
by ech0es
devi ever wrote:Anyhow... back on subject... someone linked me to this... from Billy Corgan's confessions, available for full viewing here....
http://billycorgan.livejournal.com/11224.htm :
One cool evening, I run into someone I see regularly out and about...we get to talking, and one thing leads to another, and she invites me back to her apartment...she makes me some soup, and after I am fed full, pulls me into her bed...the lights are turned off, and we start kissing...each time I try to touch her ‘down there’, she moves away from me and tenses up...this goes on for about 10 minutes until I finally ask if there is a problem...she says "there is something I have to tell you", and proceeds to tell me that she is a he...I jump up and flip on the light...she/he says "look, it’s not a big deal, I won’t tell anyone, please stay, I’ll do anything you want me to do"...I beg off politely, saying it’s not really my trip, and I’m *boom* out the door, on the street laughing to myself (how could I not know! Oops...) it occurs to me that I always thought she was a kind of weird looking girl anyway...I walked the 20 minutes home in the middle of the night, and was relieved to get back safe...I go inside, walk to the bathroom and throw on the light, and gasp when I see the massive hickie on my neck...of course, the next day the band is rehearsing, and when they see the mark, ask who I had ended up with...I lie and say it was a tourist type girl who had already left town...after a few weeks, friends start coming up and asking me if I had slept with the he/she...I feign ignorance at the whole matter, but I start to get angry because I felt I had been duped innocently, acted honorably, and now some sort of revenge was being played out...after a couple more weeks of this, I finally pulled "her" aside and said not so politely that if he didn’t stop telling people what had happened, that I would break both his arms and his legs...and that was the end of that...
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Latent_homosexualityhttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reaction_formationSexuality
A strongly heterosexual individual who is fearful or hateful toward those who identify themselves as homosexual and bisexual may be seeking to counteract deep-seated and often untouched homosexual desires. A reaction formation is used to exaggerate heterosexual behavior outward, to relieve inward anxiety regarding homosexual desires
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:32 pm
by Adoom
Dude threatens violence a lot.
It isn't any of my business, modernage, as you said, but anyone who is openly violent to a woman (no matter how that woman started off in life) or so viscerally horrible as to bring transgender issues into things isn't really supercool. I could care less about the man's music, but everything I've seen of him is generally a pretty poor showing of a human being.
Anyway, as far as taking sides goes, I'll stay on the one which isn't populated by bigots. I'm just generally shocked, since Corgan always seemed a bit... mental, I guess. But physical threats and snide jabs at someones sexuality were not things I thought would happen.
Re: Oh Billy
Posted: Thu Aug 25, 2011 1:33 pm
by modernage
PumpkinPieces wrote:modernage wrote:Also, if we stopped listening to every megalomanic who made music, then we would have nothing good to listen to.
modernage wrote:Everyone's getting all emotional and shit.
I'm not going to stop listening to his music. I'm going to stop listening to him. Yes a lot of dicks make good music but it's still disappointing to find out the dude who made your favorite music is
still a dick. Some people are gonna get emotional. I don't think anyone should stop listening to the music they love because of the person who created it but its alright to get upset about it. It's natural.
It is unfortunate, but most people won't change unless they are forced too, so his reaction isn't surprising. I can not support any of his responses, and cringed at a few of the low blows, but let's not forget how it all started....
She was upset that he didn't use her pedals live, or didn't make the effort to find out that the Rocket wasn't a tone ripoff, caused her to spend money and time on R&D for a product that arguably has a much wider appeal than her other products which will lead to her easily making her money back, remixing some old tracks, collaborating with someone who doesn't share the same beliefs..... did I miss anything, because none of that seems like it would be worth creating this mess.
Once again, a little piece of my heart is torn off each time I think about how he is handling things, but let's not nearsighted here.