Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:50 am
I lol'd.
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Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:33 am
wat
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 3:23 am
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 4:54 am
I believe this whole subject isn't any different from other subjects where we have to try to think outside the boxes. 
If You're happy with Your social settings and like Your box, it can be harder to see its arbitrariness.
The roles are just roles. Children really don't have any use for them either, not outside of play. And these suspected social roles are really not fixed, not for the adults nor for the children, though the Moral Guardians and the Marketing Strategists try to make us so. Especially if You're a parent, You'll come to know the toy stores and the children's clothing pink 'n blue conspiracy. That is, of course, a whole lot of bullshit.
Sure, some roles come with references to biological traits and some to social connections, but so what - the little children just don't have use for that kind of roles, if they are given opportunity to be who they are. The little kids understand when they are forced to do things and for them it's hard if not impossible to understand why they should or should not do absurd things. Like why shouldn't pink be unisex color? Why shouldn't boys play with and dress up their sisters dolls if they feel like it? Why shouldn't girls arm wrestle with the boys and climb to the trees? And why should girls be passive, nice and out of way when boys come to play football, instead of claiming the lawn theirs to play dancing ballet princesses?
If the children have the freedom to play and dress as they want to, without restrictions, and are taught not to buy into the boys toys and girls clothes and all that crap, they just enjoy and express themselves and seem to come with confidence to tell others, too, to do so when they are tried to pick up on them. Pretty wittily, too, I'd admit.
The teenagers will do the deconstruction of the social and sexual roles anyway, since NOBODY can do it for them. Or, at least, they should be taught not to buy into anybody telling telling then so - and perhaps trying to get to do for them, too. Sexual roles, gender and labels of any kind are just tools for us to understand and work in our social settings - and/or to control us. The best tools are those with good handles that we can adjust and keep a good hold to from the right end.
It's their own business to find themselves if they are straight, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, men, women, fluffy bunnies or heavy metal monsters or what the fuck they come to be, trying to be themselves... sure they'll need open minded parents to help out with learning to stand up for themselves in perplexing times. But that's what I, and my wife, are there for. And I really hope I can put up and do my very best. 
If You're happy with Your social settings and like Your box, it can be harder to see its arbitrariness. The roles are just roles. Children really don't have any use for them either, not outside of play. And these suspected social roles are really not fixed, not for the adults nor for the children, though the Moral Guardians and the Marketing Strategists try to make us so. Especially if You're a parent, You'll come to know the toy stores and the children's clothing pink 'n blue conspiracy. That is, of course, a whole lot of bullshit.
Sure, some roles come with references to biological traits and some to social connections, but so what - the little children just don't have use for that kind of roles, if they are given opportunity to be who they are. The little kids understand when they are forced to do things and for them it's hard if not impossible to understand why they should or should not do absurd things. Like why shouldn't pink be unisex color? Why shouldn't boys play with and dress up their sisters dolls if they feel like it? Why shouldn't girls arm wrestle with the boys and climb to the trees? And why should girls be passive, nice and out of way when boys come to play football, instead of claiming the lawn theirs to play dancing ballet princesses?
If the children have the freedom to play and dress as they want to, without restrictions, and are taught not to buy into the boys toys and girls clothes and all that crap, they just enjoy and express themselves and seem to come with confidence to tell others, too, to do so when they are tried to pick up on them. Pretty wittily, too, I'd admit.
The teenagers will do the deconstruction of the social and sexual roles anyway, since NOBODY can do it for them. Or, at least, they should be taught not to buy into anybody telling telling then so - and perhaps trying to get to do for them, too. Sexual roles, gender and labels of any kind are just tools for us to understand and work in our social settings - and/or to control us. The best tools are those with good handles that we can adjust and keep a good hold to from the right end.
It's their own business to find themselves if they are straight, gays, lesbians, bisexuals, men, women, fluffy bunnies or heavy metal monsters or what the fuck they come to be, trying to be themselves... sure they'll need open minded parents to help out with learning to stand up for themselves in perplexing times. But that's what I, and my wife, are there for. And I really hope I can put up and do my very best. Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:05 am
meh. I'll just say from the photos I saw it's obviously a boy lololol 
Bassus Sanguinis wrote:..sure they'll need open minded parents to help out with learning to stand up for themselves in perplexing times. But that's what I, and my wife, are there for. And I really hope I can put up and do my very best.
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:15 am
Has anyone brought up Hitler or called anyone a Nazi yet, because that's what this thread really needs.
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 6:41 am
Caesar wrote:Has anyone brought up Hitler or called anyone a Nazi yet, because that's what this thread really needs.
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Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 8:02 am
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 8:42 am
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 9:41 am
Hey,Dubkitty:
Do you have a grandson named Less_Cunning?
Do you have a grandson named Less_Cunning?
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 12:11 pm
You know who else asked if anyone brought up Hitler or called anyone a Nazi yet?Caesar wrote:Has anyone brought up Hitler or called anyone a Nazi yet, because that's what this thread really needs.
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 1:03 pm
MiddleEarthCrisis wrote:
oheydere
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:28 pm
now that people have had a free half-day to imply all kinds of half-assery because i had the horrifying temerity to care about my cultural heritage:
fuck all of the several of you who think that "ooh, Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/whatever" is a meaningful response on these issues. tell it to the women who have been murdered by their Muslim male relatives in the ever-increasing "honor killings" when they date non-Muslim men or men their fathers didn't approve. or the entire families who have been slaughtered in California since the 1980s in brutal knife attacks which are apparently the traditional response of the people of one part of Mexico, which has supplied a lot of California's illegal farmworkers since the 70s, to being told your wife/mother of your children is leaving you..i was living in the Sonoma Valley when the first of these was committed there by a bloke named Ramon Salcido c.1983, who (as is typical in these cases) killed his wife, children, and mother-in-law, and it was a nationwide or at least regional outrage...now it's so commonplace that it doesn't even rate a banner headline in the town in which it occurs. you think, with the certainty given by a few propaganda-piece college courses and the self-righteous indignation of deviants trying to justify their transgressions, that everybody is Just Fucking OK and we can All Live Together In A Magic Unicorn World. i KNOW, from fifty years of observation of the marvellous effects of multiculturalism, that you are WRONG.
now, lets deal with y'alls style of argument, or rather cheapshot bullshit posed in the place of argument. baseless accusations of Fascist tendencies have, ever since WWII, been the traditional response of Communists and other Leftist extremists to criticism or competition, especially when people begin to connect the dots. like connecting the dots, right there in the articles, between the parents' extreme Leftism and their enthusiasm for experimenting on their children in pursuit of the Greater Good. every time you do that, you reveal yourself. it's the same as when devnull was bitching at me because i referred to the mayor of London as Red Ken Livingstone, when he's called such by the Guardian and other Left papers in the UK, it's an affectionate sobriquet among his followers, and he regularly attends worldwide Left and socialist conferences where they stand around and sing the "Internationale." but if i notice, all of a sudden i'm a Fascist? no. i'm just catching people doing what they do in public and calling it by its name. isn't it a drag when that happens when you don't want people to know what you're trying to sneak past them?
Spaceritual: get back to me with anything you have to say when you've done anything whatsoever in life other than break your parents' hearts.
fuck all of the several of you who think that "ooh, Rush Limbaugh/Glenn Beck/whatever" is a meaningful response on these issues. tell it to the women who have been murdered by their Muslim male relatives in the ever-increasing "honor killings" when they date non-Muslim men or men their fathers didn't approve. or the entire families who have been slaughtered in California since the 1980s in brutal knife attacks which are apparently the traditional response of the people of one part of Mexico, which has supplied a lot of California's illegal farmworkers since the 70s, to being told your wife/mother of your children is leaving you..i was living in the Sonoma Valley when the first of these was committed there by a bloke named Ramon Salcido c.1983, who (as is typical in these cases) killed his wife, children, and mother-in-law, and it was a nationwide or at least regional outrage...now it's so commonplace that it doesn't even rate a banner headline in the town in which it occurs. you think, with the certainty given by a few propaganda-piece college courses and the self-righteous indignation of deviants trying to justify their transgressions, that everybody is Just Fucking OK and we can All Live Together In A Magic Unicorn World. i KNOW, from fifty years of observation of the marvellous effects of multiculturalism, that you are WRONG.
now, lets deal with y'alls style of argument, or rather cheapshot bullshit posed in the place of argument. baseless accusations of Fascist tendencies have, ever since WWII, been the traditional response of Communists and other Leftist extremists to criticism or competition, especially when people begin to connect the dots. like connecting the dots, right there in the articles, between the parents' extreme Leftism and their enthusiasm for experimenting on their children in pursuit of the Greater Good. every time you do that, you reveal yourself. it's the same as when devnull was bitching at me because i referred to the mayor of London as Red Ken Livingstone, when he's called such by the Guardian and other Left papers in the UK, it's an affectionate sobriquet among his followers, and he regularly attends worldwide Left and socialist conferences where they stand around and sing the "Internationale." but if i notice, all of a sudden i'm a Fascist? no. i'm just catching people doing what they do in public and calling it by its name. isn't it a drag when that happens when you don't want people to know what you're trying to sneak past them?
Spaceritual: get back to me with anything you have to say when you've done anything whatsoever in life other than break your parents' hearts.
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:32 pm
..nyan?
Re: raising kids without gender
Posted: Mon May 30, 2011 2:40 pm
dubkitty wrote:you think, with the certainty given by a few propaganda-piece college courses and the self-righteous indignation of deviants trying to justify their transgressions, that everybody is Just Fucking OK and we can All Live Together In A Magic Unicorn World. i KNOW, from fifty years of observation of the marvellous effects of multiculturalism, that you are WRONG.
Ok dear, now with this doll
please show us where the unicorn touched you.