Re: The most apolitical thread from the standpoint of politi
Posted: Thu Nov 08, 2018 10:10 pm
Long as Americans are still stocking Tang in their pantries so shall the 7th seal remain unbroken.
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Sonaboy wrote:It needed something positive, I think.Chankgeez wrote:
Yeah, I think that's the real reason I started this thread. Hoping someone'd eventually post an Orange Julius recipe.
Are you invoking the name of the ancient astronauts?comesect2.0 wrote:Long as Americans are still stocking Tang in their pantries so shall the 7th seal remain unbroken.
Just like you actually don't seem to get what I said?Benn Roe wrote:That's an assumption that doesn't follow from anything I said.
We are on the same page on this but my point is...Benn Roe wrote: I've been paying attention vocally for about as long as is reasonable for someone of my age. The internet has been well and thoroughly littered with my sociopolitical ramblings over the last twenty years, thank you very much. The fact that these issues are not new is not a reason to avoid anger, nor does it preclude level-headed anger.
The point I was making is NOT that people shouldn't uses their outrage in a positive way and to get involved but that you cannot count on it for sustaining a movement beyond the angry stage. There has to be hope and planing and the want for real change even if it might hurt in the short run. a lot of people don't hold on to level-headed anger, they move on, give up become bitter or convince themselves in the opposite direction or feel that a small victory is good enough...Benn Roe wrote:And holding the timing of people's political awakening against them might as well be the definition of counterproductive.
Benn Roe wrote:I'm not trying to attack you here.
Benn Roe wrote:I'm just responding to the growing popularity of demonizing "outrage culture" as a vehicle for undermining progressive thought and policy. Just like "political correctness" before it, this is a carefully-crafted right-wing propaganda campaign that's starting to dig its claws into left-leaning moderates, and it's dangerous.
[/quote]friendship wrote:Grievances are not legitimate unless you have had full awareness of the issue at hand since its origin? Being opposed to deleterious policy is less legitimate than supporting favorable policy? Am I understanding you correctly?
It's a complicated issue. Yes, I believe there are people who sometimes draw ludicrous conclusions from sound premises. What I don't believe is 1) that this is a change from any point in history; 2) that this applies only to progressives; or 3) that terms like "outrage culture" serve anyone but the far right. When I get drawn into sociopolitical debates these days the terms "virtue signaling" and "outrage culture" are almost always tossed in my direction. 15 or 20 years ago I was having virtually the same arguments, but back then the buzzword was always "PC". These terms are all the same. They undermine progressive ideas by uniting people from a range of political viewpoints behind reductive fringe mischaracterizations. They poison the lexicon, harnessing guilt to shift everyone to the right.frodog wrote:Just butting in here re : "I'm just responding to the growing popularity of demonizing "outrage culture" as a vehicle for undermining progressive thought and policy ..." You don't think outrage culture is real? I have also been on the internet for 20 years, generally not debating politics, but on different forums. I remember a certain one I was a member of for a long time, administered by decidely liberal and progressive-minded people from SF and Portland no less. More right-leaning people came in from time to time, and usually if they were interested in staying interesting debates ensued and nobody was mortally offended. I can't help but think that nowadays, here, those guys would be seen as just trolls and banned. Also I can't see something like the Pussy Melter controversy happening back then; granted there was no twitter. But look how that turned out, people were clamoring to buy the pedal when it came out just to own the object of the outrage.
It sounds like we agree on more than we disagree on. I definitely concede that the way anger is channeled is important, and that a lot of people (of all walks of life) do a lot of harm to their own ideas by expending energy in dubious and counterproductive ways. The PETA effect is real, even if the terminology that often explains it is reductive and misleading.Mudfuzz wrote:lots of stuff
https://www.cnn.com/2018/11/08/politics ... index.htmlWASHINGTON — The acting attorney general, Matthew G. Whitaker, once espoused the view that the courts “are supposed to be the inferior branch” and criticized the Supreme Court’s power to review legislative and executive acts and declare them unconstitutional, the lifeblood of its existence as a coequal branch of government.
In a Q. and A. when he sought the Republican nomination for senator in Iowa in 2014, Mr. Whitaker indicated that he shared the belief among some conservatives that the federal judiciary has too much power over public policy. He criticized many of the Supreme Court’s rulings, beginning with a foundational one: Marbury v. Madison, which established its power of judicial review in 1803.
“There are so many” bad rulings, Mr. Whitaker said. “I would start with the idea of Marbury v. Madison. That’s probably a good place to start and the way it’s looked at the Supreme Court as the final arbiter of constitutional issues.”
The interview was among evidence that shed new light on Mr. Whitaker’s views, including disparagement of the Russia investigation, which he now oversees, and an expansive view of presidential power. Congressional aides, journalists and other observers scoured his record after Mr. Trump fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions on Wednesday and replaced him with Mr. Whitaker, instantly raising questions about whether the president wanted a loyalist in charge at the Justice Department with the power to end the Russia investigation.
Groups throughout the nation marched on Thursday to support the inquiry of Robert S. Mueller III, the special counsel, and to protest Mr. Whitaker’s appointment. Thousands demonstrated in dozens of cities, including in Washington, Philadelphia, Omaha and Salt Lake City.
In New York, about 4,000 people marched from Times Square to Union Square, the police said. Protesters held signs and chanted “Trump is not above the law.” On Twitter, #ProtectMueller was trending.
Though Democrats called on Mr. Whitaker to recuse himself from overseeing the investigation into Russian interference in the 2016 election and whether any of Mr. Trump’s associates conspired, the Justice Department has said he will supervise Mr. Mueller. Past statements suggest that Mr. Whitaker has already made up his mind that the investigation will fail to show that Mr. Trump or his advisers aided Russia’s disruption.
“The truth is there was no collusion with the Russians and the Trump campaign,” Mr. Whitaker said in an interview on “The Wilkow Majority,” a conservative political talk radio show, in summer 2017. His remarks were reported earlier by The Daily Beast.
“There was interference by the Russians into the election, but that is not collusion with the campaign,” he added, views that dovetailed with Mr. Trump’s longstanding complaints about the investigation. “That’s where the left seems to be just combining those two issues.”
He also argued last year that the president could not have obstructed justice by asking the F.B.I. director, James B. Comey, to end an investigation into his first national security adviser, a broad notion of executive power that Mr. Trump’s lawyers have also embraced. Mr. Whitaker dismissed the outcry over Mr. Trump’s request as overkill during a radio interview in June 2017 on the conservative “David Webb Show.”
Ms. Diver is a Florida native and saw Bondi in action. She said "[Bondi] is worse than Jeff Sessions in that she hates everything he does, has actually done things Sessions only talked about, and is way more charismatic and persuasive than Sessions. Plus she looks like someone Donnie Boy would fuck, so she'll get whatever she wants."Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump is considering former New Jersey Gov. Chris Christie and Florida Attorney General Pam Bondi to replace fired Attorney General Jeff Sessions, sources familiar with the matter said.
Trump fired Sessions on Wednesday without immediately naming a replacement, instead installing Sessions' chief of staff Matthew Whitaker as acting attorney general. Both Christie and Bondi are longtime political allies of the President's and were initially considered contenders for the Justice Department perch during the transition.
Labor Secretary Alexander Acosta also is under consideration, according to a senior Senate Republican aide and a source familiar with the process.
Given Trump's long-standing frustrations with Sessions, other potential contenders have cropped up in Trump-friendly circles in recent months, including Whitaker, Solicitor General Noel Francisco, Rep. John Ratcliffe, R-Texas, former Judge John Michael Luttig, Judge Edith Jones, former Judge Janice Rogers Brown, retiring Rep. Trey Gowdy, R-South Carolina, and Sen. Lindsey Graham, R-South Carolina.
If nominated, Christie, a former US attorney, could face similar calls to the ones Sessions faced to recuse himself from special counsel Robert Mueller's investigation given his role as a prominent 2016 campaign surrogate for Trump. But unlike Sessions, there is no indication he had contacts with Russian officials during the 2016 campaign or transition.
Omitting the first part, I do basically agree with you there. Not a fan of trying to reduce someone's argument to parroting an ideology, and the term "outrage culture" does sort of play into that. Outside of personally knowing how someone sources their facts/who they hang out with/etc. it's often a stretch to say they're just representing "...-culture", but on twitter it seems more black and white/polarized.Benn Roe wrote:Every movement has hardliners, though, and reducing a movement to its stupidest contingent is disingenuous. The fact that you're even bringing up the Pussy Melter speaks to that. The whole objection to that TonePrint was very reasonable and handled really rationally by people who were largely met with cries of "outrage culture" as a way to reduce them to caricature and make them seem hysterical. I've had lots of versions of the Pussy Melter argument over many, many years (arguing about Dude Fest and Slut Fest on vivalavinyl comes to mind). It's not a new concept that women can be disenfranchised by careless or malicious naming conventions.
