Top Mounted Everything! And RRR v2 discussions!

[backwhenIwascool]

I love the idea of stereo, but I'd use the effects loop option long before I ever used stereo. I am cheap. I have one (crappy) amp. An Effects loop is way cooler to me than stereo, but I might just be a loser.

[futuresailors]

Blake, I think you lost me again!

I don't see how the effect loop send/return jacks could double for the stereo in and out... or if that would be a good feature.. the stereo in and out is two fully separate audio paths through the circuit, so the effect loop send and return need to be their own separate connections too, right? Not an either or situation... I think generally people don't like that, they'd want stereo in and out and stereo effect loop at the same time, right?

I think I can handle it having 8 jacks if that's the most powerful and versatile way to go... flippin' lot of jacks though hey!

I was under the impression the effect out was basically a wet out and the return bypassed the effect circuit and was wired to the send jack. But then practically speaking I probably couldn't wire a LED to a switch, so don't mind my babbling. Both would be probably be ideal. And expression jack. You could call it the jackerator.

I put my reverb in the middle of my chain though, so stereo doesn't matter much to me anyways.

[oinkbanana]

I was under the impression the effect out was basically a wet out and the return bypassed the effect circuit and was wired to the send jack.

no. the return then goes to the mix knob, where you can mix in the amount of original signal.

I think I can handle it having 8 jacks if that's the most powerful and versatile way to go... flippin' lot of jacks though hey!

+ expression!
2 in
2 loop send
2 loop return
2 out
+ expression

[nightraven]

i'll be running this in mono so i'm guessing i could just use one pair of jacks of the loop right? the side that corresponds with either left or right input and output that i'm using
also will the loop come before or after the modulation section? it would be great if it came after because then a delay in the loop would really 'blur' the wave of the modulation

[Gunner Recall]

I dunno if I've said it yet but are there that many people that run in stereo? It seems like a lot of work for a feature I can only assume a small number of users regularly make use of.

I think more options for expression/fxloop would see more use.
I never run stereo so

[backwhenIwascool]

Modulation section? What?

[oinkbanana]

yeah... modulation.
i assumed i'd be turning the modulation off when using the fx loop, using an external modulation instead...

i don't run a stereo rig live, but i'd definitely use this for recording in stereo along with other stereo pedals

[Ryan]

It's tough picking out the perfect features for a pedal, isn't it!

Over the years, I've been asked for a stereo version of the RRR dozens of times.. over a hundred times I'm sure.. but the effect loop has only come up in this thread, I don't think anybody's ever sent me an email about it.

I like the idea of the loop, I see how it could be creative and experimental and very cool, but I feel that stereo is maybe a stronger feature that more people want. I also feel like the full size version of the RRR just has to be stereo, I've felt strongly about that from the get-go of this design.. but I gotta say, now I'm kinda thinking maybe the pedal should be mono but include the effect loop.

The problem is that such a complicated reverb pedal with 10 jacks is going to be a small fortune... I've always known this upgraded version is going to be more than the old version but I don't want this to be a $400 pedal. At the same time, this version of the RRR has to be the penultimate version with every possible/reasonable feature, a master piece of reverb.

So I'm kind of at a crossroads here with a few paths in front of me that all look good. I think I have to do a fully decked out prototype with stereo and effects loop and then possibly do a decked out mono version of the pedal too. I'll always think that even though there's definitely a market for stereo pedals it's a real minority, a very small percentage of players use a stereo rig, in my opinion at least. I feel the same way about effects loops though, that they get used by a small minority. For example, two very popular pedals with effects loops, the Skreddy Echo and the Paul Cochrane Tim... do you guys think those effect loops get used much? I feel like I never ever hear of people using the loops in those pedals...

And yes, Alex, part of the upgrades for this version of the RRR is global modulation of the wet reverb signal. The modulation takes place at the digital reverb engine, I modulate the timing signal that determines the decay length of the wet signal, so the effects loop would be after the modulation as the loop send would be right after the op-amp stage that combines the differential signal out of the DAC.

Also, I've slightly back-burnered this project as Tanya and I have decided the smartest next step for us is to get the Tremolessence revamped and available like the miniberators. We have to choose our battles carefully as the manufacturing is really expensive and a big commitment... we're thinking having the Tremolessence and the miniberators available will help us to swing the full size RRR since the boards for it are going to be really expensive for us, more than likely more than we could do right now or in the near future.

[Gunner Recall]

Good points all around. I suppose a loop is even more out there than stereo.
I never use the loop on my Tim, though I will say the loop on the skrecho is brilliant when mixed with some out there modulation/filters like my photron or prometheus (or hey...a cosmichorus )

I think the trick with loops is they just really haven't caught on yet...I think the new deluxe memory boy might start convincing more people of the possibilities.
But yea...probably not something people put down as a commonly requested reverb feature.

[Ryan]

Jon, I think you made a great point there, that loops haven't really taken off yet but their time is a-coming! I hadn't given them much thought at all before this thread but now I see how powerful and creative they can be and I'm thinking it's kinda weird you don't see them more... it's definitely a path I want to explore with the bigberator, makes a lot of sense to me.

[backwhenIwascool]

The effects loop on the Skreddy Echo is way awesome. I used to have one. I put a mini kaoss pad in the loop once. It rocked. Anyway, now that I know there is a modulation "section" on the new RRR, I'd be fine without the loop. But - I feel awesome because Dr. Scientist has seriously considered MY recommendation!

Cheezey smile. Thank you ILF for connecting me with great peeps and making my nerdy pedal dreams come halfway true!

-Alex.

[oinkbanana]

i'd be sad to see the BigRRR demoted to mono,
but I can live without the loop (i've got two blenders for these sorts of things)

sounds like streamlining production of other pedals is an important priority.
keeping up with the demand is probably the biggest hurdle i keep reading about your pedals.!

[Gilmourish]

i want a tremolescense now... always wanted a trem pedal but never had one

[ze monsta]

I thought the loop was the better option rather than the stereo jacks. But the idea of both of them was fantastic. I think it'd probably be worth the extra cost. I'd rather have a pedal with all the options and have to pay more, than find myself wishing it had more options after getting hold of it.

What kind of sounds are there with the modulation, Ryan?

[Ryan]

Yeah guys, this sucker has to have both... at least for the prototype so we can just deck it out with every available option and see what rules. And if they all rule then they'll all be included, I don't want to compromise any potential features. Especially since the send/return won't be too big of a challenge as the circuit doesn't have to change to add them, just the pcb layout does and it's not finished anyway.

The modulation section has a depth and rate control and works on all the reverb patches. It modulates the decay time of the reverb engine so it's like turning the decay knob up and down. It can be subtle and sweet or dramatic and weird.. I like it set fairly subtle with a really fast rate, it gives the reverb a neat flutter that I also like on my delay repeats with modulated delay.

On the rotary setting though it modulates the speed of the effect, so it sort of slows down and then speeds up the rotary effect.. it can go from weird sounding to a neat kind of ramping up and down sound, as if the rotary speaker has a lumpy rotation instead of a smooth one.

I mostly like it for just providing some movement in the reverb... plus it can sound kind of scary.