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I believe I detect the smell of burning martyr

Hey, it's a lot of work hanging on this cross.

I think Bossman is the subject of a witch hunt in this thread and I understand his points in his initial post.

Jesus fuck, is this why most forums ban political discussion? Huh.

Still, banning political discussion is not gonna happen here. Politics deals with the essential nature of how things are, or should be. If we can't discuss that without devolution, we're pretty broken. That said, the state of politics these days seems pretty broken to me.

Still, I prefer to let people post what they will and let the chips fall where they may.

BossMann73 wrote:Politics sucks Ryan, and you should never mix it with your business.

If politics suck and shouldn't be mixed with other things, why bring it to ilovefuzz? But General would be the place for such things.

That said, disparate views are (/should be) welcome here. We should be able to discuss things without devolving to "fuck offs."
That said, "don't be an asshole" is really the only rule here. I suppose that these days, "don't be an asshole" does sometimes apply to political beliefs.
That said, I know assholery is subjective. But someone has to decide these things.
That said, KKK or racism shouldn't be subjective, and anyone there can fuck right off.

I prefer people not pile-on, or play asshole-the-asshole. If you don't like something someone says, discuss it with them. And there's something of a clean slate rule here; just because someone irked you on another forum, I'd hope we'd give them a chance here.
That said, I've gotten lots of "reports" on this thread...something that's rare here. If you're garnering even a few reported posts, that's rare...there's only so many posts that can be reported before we have to take some action (to keep this place the generally-friendly place it is / has been).
That said, "shut the fuck up" or "fuck off" is not productive, constructive or helpful. If you're gonna say "fuck off," at least follow it with some reasons why said person should fuck off.

BossMann73 wrote:99.9999999 percent of Trump voters voted for him because of his economic populism and ending all the wars and getting along with the world. All things that turned out to be bullshit no doubt...

99.9999999% of statistics are made up on the spot. I live and work in solid Trump country, and I genuinely love some Trump supporters, but I think you underestimate the number of racists in Trump country. My opinion/experience. But I agree with the sentiment...I'd just suggest it's closer to 10%. (Again, statistics.) And a lot of people wonder about those 90% who were willing to overlook some of Trump's and his supporters' rhetoric. That's my opinion, not Admin edict.

I post that because I don't necessarily think we should stick to pedals-only, at least in this thread. (Though I'd highly recommend people don't turn apolitical/nonpolitical threads into political ones...bad form, and someone asking for a shitstorm.)

I get that my post here (based on my personal thoughts, not on my position of "authority" here) might disappoint some who want to see me kill this thread with fire, might disappoint some of you, but I'm willing to keep this open. I'm willing to give this thread a chance to go where it might, so long as we all agree fuck racists or those who stand with them without reservation.

Can we do this?

repoman wrote:I think Bossman is the subject of a witch hunt in this thread and I understand his points in his initial post.

Some posts have been edited, but from what I can see as a latecomer...aside from apparently steering an apolitical thread into politics, Bossman seems to have handled himself well in the face of a lot of backlash. Usually, someone in that position ends up literally threatening my life and/or threatens to send me buckets of cum. So that's nice.

1) FUCK RACISTS is right.
2) Why is a nice guy like sylnau catching flak? Those attacks on him were glib, mean spirited, and undeserved.

Lurker13 wrote:1) FUCK RACISTS is right.
2) Why is a nice guy like sylnau catching flak? Those attacks on him were glib, mean spirited, and undeserved.

1) FUCK RACISTS is right, is right.
2) Attacking senior members, who've by nature been vetted for assholery, is bad form.

I don't think anyone attacked Sylnau. I think it was a joke in poor taste that got lost in translation.

As for politics - don't you guys have an off-topic area or whatever?

Tom Dalton wrote:but I think you underestimate the number of racists in Trump country. My opinion/experience. But I agree with the sentiment...I'd just suggest it's closer to 90%. [EDIT: I meant to say, 90% of Trump supporters aren't racist

Didn't want to get involved but I couldn't let this be said without inputting that I live in a state that Trump won by over 20 points and down here, the inverse is pretty much true. Maybe 10% of his voters aren't racist but I do live in a really racist part of the world, which I abhor. They may publicly say the right things but I hear them when they think they are among their own and yeah, Trump voters are just a bunch of racists in the deep South. It really is almost like that SNL Eddie Murphy sketch.

All that Taking Down The Confederate Statues Is Erasing History is just a bunch of code for them: Oh, he's one of us!

Interesting that the perception is completely different in the Northeast.

Anyway, carry on.

Semi-relevant: can we keep shit-posting off ILF? Shit is the operative word, and on a discussion board, it's really antithetical to any productive discussion.

Thank you, Tom.

I'm going to agree with the keeping your business out of politics. I finding it highly unprofessional. Will I not buy from someone because they make a statement I don't agree on? No, hell no, but I do get annoyed by it. It's like most things. I don't really want to know someone's opinion unless I ask, especially when it involves a business relationship. You cannot presume that everyone or anyone for that matter will agree with you.

That's a reason I don't do religious (of any kind) types of etches. I won't do satanic, or go God go type stuff. I outright refuse because it's limiting my base if I do that type of stuff and I want to remain neutral.

Now the Nazi stuff is different. I do think people should say "fuck Nazi's". However it's exploiting people's emotions if you sell a product during a time like this based around that idea. I believe that to be ethically wrong and ridiculous.

YMMV, but I stand by my opinions and statements.

Whoa, I just read this thread haha, my man Bossmann is truly a character.

^

Just making a random post in a closed thread, you know, just to be part of the history.

jwar wrote:I'm going to agree with the keeping your business out of politics. I finding it highly unprofessional. Will I not buy from someone because they make a statement I don't agree on? No, hell no, but I do get annoyed by it. It's like most things. I don't really want to know someone's opinion unless I ask, especially when it involves a business relationship. You cannot presume that everyone or anyone for that matter will agree with you.

That's a reason I don't do religious (of any kind) types of etches. I won't do satanic, or go God go type stuff. I outright refuse because it's limiting my base if I do that type of stuff and I want to remain neutral.

Now the Nazi stuff is different. I do think people should say "fuck Nazi's". However it's exploiting people's emotions if you sell a product during a time like this based around that idea. I believe that to be ethically wrong and ridiculous.

YMMV, but I stand by my opinions and statements.

What about an etch where it's the GOT Iron Throne, made with dildos instead of swords. Are you above doing that? Asking for "someone else"...

manymanyhaha wrote:

Tom Dalton wrote:but I think you underestimate the number of racists in Trump country. My opinion/experience. But I agree with the sentiment...I'd just suggest it's closer to 90%.

Didn't want to get involved but I couldn't let this be said without inputting that I live in a state that Trump won by over 20 points and down here, the inverse is pretty much true. Maybe 10% of his voters aren't racist but I do live in a really racist part of the world, which I abhor. They may publicly say the right things but I hear them when they think they are among their own and yeah, Trump voters are just a bunch of racists in the deep South. It really is almost like that SNL Eddie Murphy sketch.

All that Taking Down The Confederate Statues Is Erasing History is just a bunch of code for them: Oh, he's one of us!

Interesting that the perception is completely different in the Northeast.

Anyway, carry on.

I actually meant, "I'd suggest it's closer to 10% racists!"...90% non.
And actually, in my experience, all of the Trump supporters personally I know have said somewhat/very racist things...but I don't know a lot of people personally. I'm talking a sample size of like 5 people I've met/know who are open Trump supporters.

Tom Dalton wrote:

manymanyhaha wrote:

Tom Dalton wrote:but I think you underestimate the number of racists in Trump country. My opinion/experience. But I agree with the sentiment...I'd just suggest it's closer to 90%.

Didn't want to get involved but I couldn't let this be said without inputting that I live in a state that Trump won by over 20 points and down here, the inverse is pretty much true. Maybe 10% of his voters aren't racist but I do live in a really racist part of the world, which I abhor. They may publicly say the right things but I hear them when they think they are among their own and yeah, Trump voters are just a bunch of racists in the deep South. It really is almost like that SNL Eddie Murphy sketch.

All that Taking Down The Confederate Statues Is Erasing History is just a bunch of code for them: Oh, he's one of us!

Interesting that the perception is completely different in the Northeast.

Anyway, carry on.

I actually meant, "I'd suggest it's closer to 10% racists!"...90% non.
And actually, in my experience, all of the Trump supporters personally I know have said somewhat/very racist things...but I don't know a lot of people personally. I'm talking a sample size of like 5 people I've met/know who are open Trump supporters.

Sure, but, I think we all need to come to the realization that polo shirts are the symbol of white supremacy and should be outlawed in any country that is not actively pro nazi, maybe golf as well for good measure.