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[Ev_O)))]

I love the el capa looper to be honest. The way it degrades over time and you can fade out loops etc
Only thing I miss about it but yeah

TF can do the fade out thing and you can map the expression to control the FILTER and make the loops darker, just do it slowly. TWSS.
Using the 48s for MAX LENGTH will make your loops more lo-fi too...

I have no experience with the Capistan but if it works like the Akai Headrush then that degradation thing can be nailed within any delay mode in the TF too, the downside is that the max delay time is 3 seconds.

Yeah nah I have the TF now and its 90% of the way there, just had all these saturated, warbly artefacts etc etc
I couldn't own both at once, just that's the only benefit to the el Cap over anything it might be compared to

[lordgalvar]

I was trying to be kinda nice about it...but fine. [In reference to echorec' reply to me about EQD]

I understand marketing [if any one reads my posts a good 1/8 or so of them are probably related to that]. I understand small time guys building limited runs of clones of hard to find vintage pedals [that's cool, no one is really making a living off it]...but what I don't like/get the ethics of is a company doing a full run of pedals, in a more production environment, without involving the original creator in anyway possible. Esp. When there was a run not long ago.

What CB did with the fuzzrite and now what EQD is doing with the nufuzz is kinda wrong. Sanner is still alive and will build these [and not at high prices either]....so yea great they can market...but geez, when is somebody ever even going to credit the dude? It's a double standard...I can clone you, but don't clone me. They involved dude for the park fuzz thing, why not call Sanner?

I like Ian's lunar incantation because it is something new in the spirit of, you know?

Yea, you can't really defend a circuit design...but to turn them into production pedals is weird and wrong...and the fact that it will sell just bothers me.

Furthermore, blindly buying based on what you ate told to like is a giant gripe I have with modern consumerism....and how "journalism" and coverage is paid for by certain companies...or how they impact sales of the linked retail establishments. 10 second Google search could find you the nufuzz...access to all the information in the world, yet choose to be fed marketing...

And, even though we are fed this bs about companies being mom and pop down home small business that are in it for the "art", sweetheart deals and margins push other builders out...I dunno. Just kinda bummed that some people get included and others don't.

CB really bothers me with their name buying, but that is another story.

But I know that is life and business,.,things suck...but I don't have to be happy about it...and am disappointed they didn't keep their precedent that they set with the park fuzz.

By the way, the circuit ain't a mystery if you call/contract the dude...

Plus, his last run was point-to-point and not in that og rubber stuff.

[BLOOD EAGLE]

about EQD Spires....

How come people will buy that nufuzz clone but wouldn't buy one made by the circuit creator? He did a run of them and they sound great..[it didn't sell out]..I just think it's weird because the nufuzz isn't that popular.

Plus, ghost/ian does a neat nufuzz/fuzzrite combo...I think he does great work too...but he isn't selling in the volume of EQD...just an odd addition to their line.

Mildly interested in the new boost though.

It's not to my fuzz tastes, but is that nu fuzz a worthy $225 fuzz on its own?
(And by that I mean take away the fact it was built by the circuit creator)

because Spires is slightly cheaper and has another circuit in it as well...

I also don't think it's the oddest addition to their line, gray channel? Dual dod gray 250's?
It looks to me like as their modulation game gets upped, their dirt is really returning to caveman simplicity....

[lordgalvar]

I like the nufuzz...but it is a dead simple circuit really. Yea, part of that 225 is mojo [but that was hallmark adding mojo into the price, not Sanner...when he sold fuzzrights direct they were cheaper].

Some of the D*A*M/jerms kinda guys were a little critical when comparing it to a vintage one, but it is using modern caps and stuff. Not a big deal to me,

I mean it is right in line with the dizzy tones and other vintages fuzzes and stuff price-wise, so it wasn't bad at all [esp compared to what some rangemasters in Hammond boxes go for].

I think it is a bad ass treble fuzz with some intermod/ringer stuff going on...I thought it was worth it... Spent more money on dumber things haha. And a custom box always adds to the price [annodized I think[

No pcd, perf, or tag board...literally point to point. 225 vs 189 for a CB fuZZz [justan example[....eh, give me the Sanner/nufuzz...it will sound better [maybe not 40$ better, but all that is subjective]

[space6oy]

only new EQD i'm interested in is the avalanche.

[coupleonapkins]

The Spatial Delivery is another version of the Maestro Sample & Hold, which has been done lotsa times before (Xotic's first two versions of the Robotalk, Subdecay's Proteus/Prometheus, & in some ways the Zvex Seek Wah/Super Seek Wah, etc.), but not as sexy, I suppose (means/motive/opportunity i.e. the DOD Gray Spec clone, but with more flippin' switches). After hearing Jaime from EQD wax on about the Maestro in Premier Guitar, I was eager to see where they'd take it - pretty good - but maybe they'll expand it a la the Interstellar Orbiter in the future. And at least more people will be exposed to the effect itself, which I think is terribly underrated, & is usually relegated to that deep sea reef that everybody tosses their old wah pedals into, eventually.

And here's the regular run of the Acapulco Gold:

[Eivind August]

I think you make a valid point, Galvar. Don't have much to add, as I'm not really in the loop when it comes to these vintage fuzzes.

The Avalanche Run seems really cool, but it kinda makes me want to find out how to do actual tape loops instead of digital emulations. EQD makes some really neat stuff, but I dunno, just never been really floored by anything they make. I guess they have to adapt to a wider market, pleasing the majority instead of the weird niche guys.

[Inconuucl]

They are transitioning out of the boutique market, have been for a while.

I'm now mostly interest in the avalanche and the Bows, altough I do wish it was a combo with the tentacle.

[Jwar]

I'll agree with the sediment that cloning is ridiculous right now, I've said it many, many times. But everyone does it on some level or another. There is nothing new, just twists on old ideas. Which sucks, but that's because we need someone to invent something new. I mean think about the effects that are offered. Has there been any new sounds or are they all just variations of each other? Fuzz is the one thing I'm tired of seeing released. It's so boring now. It makes me sad saying that too. How many different version of a fuzz can their be? It's all the same shit, with different options or a slightly different flavor. But seriously, after awhile it all sounds the same.

It'd be nice if anyone out there had the means to put into a new type of sound. But that would probably cost a lot of money and also take a high level of intelligence that only a handful of builders have (no offense meant, but it's true).

So I like to think of new effects as upgrades to my old stuff and that's about it. This guy adding this to make this shit better or took this away to make it different. That's about what it is.

I honestly can say I haven't been wowed this year, and feel the dreaded dislike coming for some effects or tightening my wallet to the point of not trying new things. I've been disappointed a LOT, but I still commend the builders on their efforts.

[Inconuucl]

But then in the same coin we are scare of digital. Give me a wavefolder pedal that's not that hideous source audio monstrosity. Also the Geiger counter needs a new, better civilian issue, IMHO. my short time with it made me only want the big version more.

[Jwar]

But then in the same coin we are scare of digital. Give me a wavefolder pedal that's not that hideous source audio monstrosity. Also the Geiger counter needs a new, better civilian issue, IMHO. my short time with it made me only want the big version more.

IMO the Civilian was a piece of shit. I had that thing for like 3 days before I flipped it. I'm like that though. haha

I love digital and still think it's the way things ought to be moving. Just improve it. Why does anyone care about all that mojo bs when it literally doesn't matter. If you can create a digitized version of a pedal that has more options, better tracking, no latency...etc . Why not? Does it sound sterile? I guess to some people. I think they are mostly full of shit though.

[D.o.S.]

People just think with their eyes and their spec sheets. Mojo stuff can often sound "better" but that's mostly shorthand for "tones coded into me about how a given effect should sound by virtue of the music present in my formative listening years." That's hardly unique to pedals: think Moog-as-synth or an 808 kick.

[Ruiner]

Finally checked out all the EQD vids.... curious about the Avalanche.... but i'm confident i want that Spires.

[lordgalvar]

Yea, I'm fine with digital as long as it doesn't pretend to be something it ain't usually. I just go into digital pedals as "what can it do different" instead of "does it really sound like swell mode on my ancient device". I kinda wish more companies pushed it further instead of getting stuck in the emulation rut. But, thankfully, there are many companies doing designs with digital that are great and new (chasebliss and lightning bear with controlling analog, electro faustus, cooper, EQD, Hexe, WMD, Ehzi and Aka, etc...heck, even Boss and Digitech).

Back to the Spires thing: I know al of the circuits are based on datasheet circuits or started life elsewhere, but it just gets weird when you say "I wanted this and this in a box so I cloned 'em". Just take it to the next step at that point and add something to it and say "Hey, I liked the nufuzz and wanted to start there, but this circuit add an optional third gain stage and clipping diodes..." or something. And not all the circuits have been done yet...lots of companies are doing cool stuff....and a lot of them are around here.

I was even fine with the CB Merkin....it was a fuzzrite, they took it and toned it down, gave it a different name, and really marketed it as something different (because it was different enough at that point)...but then they released the fuzzrite, did the same mods pretty much...just wrong and weird.

And knowing that the nufuzz was never that popular (part of that was the smallness of rosac...but they actually made quite a bit of stuff (nu-wa, nu-fuzz-wa, nu-fuzz, malibu amps, PAs, speaker cabs))....why talk about it like everyone knows (as echorec said it is an exotic fuzz that isn't well known)...then why market that way? I just think it would make sense to bring in the original creator, say we love this fuzz and Sanner supervised this re-release, and bam!

The grey-box thing doesn't make much sense either (as blood eagle said)...why are they slipping back into these mundane clones when they have an opportunity to do something more? DOD and MXR are both still around...and DOD has been going in some good directions lately...why step on their toes and do what they already do?

I guess I picked on EQD too much (as this is rampant in the industry)...just kinda makes things boring overall too. I think part of it was some kind of overall respect for them trying to keep it fresh.

There is going to be some great stuff at NAMM....I just look to avoid another same-old reverb and distortion +/rat in a box...I'm over it.

[lordgalvar]

People just think with their eyes and their spec sheets. Mojo stuff can often sound "better" but that's mostly shorthand for "tones coded into me about how a given effect should sound by virtue of the music present in my formative listening years." That's hardly unique to pedals: think Moog-as-synth or an 808 kick.

Having tried several of one type of fuzz from several builders...there is some truth to it. Usually has to do with biasing and stuff that the builder adjusts to taste. I have three buzzaround/dizzy tones and all are different. But that is different transistors, caps probably, etc. Each builder settled on a different sound. Which is cool. I think some of the mojo is in the way it interacts with the guitar and the response...sometimes it just isn't there. I have a vintage shin-ei made super fuzz, an ibanez standard fuzz, and a lastgasp 46. All based on the same thing, but I like the 46 the best...so I dunno....

But about it being just your ear being trained to like something because it is what you think it sounds like...it ain't true unless you are looking for the same sound of something you have, have had, or have played...because if you are going off youtube or mp3 demos...there is truthfully no way to know what it really sounds like. I had no idea what a pep box really sounded like until I played one...and everyone I have played has been different...so there is some "mojo" there...but I guess I just don't think of it that way (and one I played was chank's jerms fixed ghost...and it was tuned different than my ian tuned ghost and the basic audio one...all essentially the same...)

But yea, overall, the mojo thing is way over blown. I never choose based on that....I just try to find what suits my needs.