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Don't get me wrong guys, I really like Deafheaven. I just notice a lot of people who don't listen to "that kind" of music are really into them. They've somehow gotten a foot into the indie scene and its "okay" for hipsters to like them.

I'm a hypocrite though, because Im a total Fucking hipster.

I've decided that I really like hipsters.
I need to subdivide the hipsters to explain. So your average hipster that spends an hour before they go out making sure their look is perfectly constructed so as to not look like they spent an hour trying to look that way, is not what I am talking about.
The ones who make artisanal goat cheese, Hand wind pickups around wooden bobbins, brew their own beer, cure sausages for two years before they are ready to eat, release thier bands shit on vinyl only, forage for wild mushrooms for the evening menu...... yes please.
The industrious hipster is a great thing.
As for doom, I can think of much worse musical trends to become popular. yeah, it will be sad to hear Doom Pop bands on the radio, but who the hell listens to radio any more?

I think it's ok if hipsters like Deafheaven, I mean I got into black metal through Liturgy which was another "hipster black metal" band and I never looked back. If it's opening peoples eyes to some new stuffs which might make them a little more open minded then cool-cool.

neonblack wrote:Don't get me wrong guys, I really like Deafheaven. I just notice a lot of people who don't listen to "that kind" of music are really into them. They've somehow gotten a foot into the indie scene and its "okay" for hipsters to like them.

But I mean, so?
Since when is it bad for people to like good bands?

I didn't say it was a bad thing. I was just saying that Deafheaven and similar bands are part of the reason that doom/metal/heavy music has become a little trendier recently.

PetZounds wrote:

neonblack wrote:Don't get me wrong guys, I really like Deafheaven. I just notice a lot of people who don't listen to "that kind" of music are really into them. They've somehow gotten a foot into the indie scene and its "okay" for hipsters to like them.

But I mean, so?
Since when is it bad for people to like good bands?

when the people who have been playing that music for years have to deal with all the punishers that start wanting a piece of it too.

dase wrote: when the people who have been playing that music for years have to deal with all the punishers that start wanting a piece of it too.

I figure anyone who's been doing marginalized, "no future" type music for years isn't doing it for a piece of anything - they're doing it for themselves, one listener or seventeen.

as one of those people, yeah, I am. And we've worked a long time building scenes or whatever you wanna call it where we can go and do it and I'm not particularly interested in it being a stepping stone for some band to launch their career or whatever.

Those folks will come and go, and you'll still be doing what made you happy in the first place.

The only issues that kick in are when you're effectively tossed out of your own scene, but even then, it's 'make another' - I went through this as the "electronic" genre of music went from experimental, minimalist wacky musique concrete to nothing but EDM, so I do know your pain, but in the end, it's about what makes you happy, not what the tourists (band and fans alike) bring or take.

Those folks will come and go, and you'll still be doing what made you happy in the first place.

The only issues that kick in are when you're effectively tossed out of your own scene, but even then, it's 'make another' - I went through this as the "electronic" genre of music went from experimental, minimalist wacky musique concrete to nothing but EDM, so I do know your pain, but in the end, it's about what makes you happy, not what the tourists (band and fans alike) bring or take.

AxAxSxS wrote:I've decided that I really like hipsters.
I need to subdivide the hipsters to explain. So your average hipster that spends an hour before they go out making sure their look is perfectly constructed so as to not look like they spent an hour trying to look that way, is not what I am talking about.
The ones who make artisanal goat cheese, Hand wind pickups around wooden bobbins, brew their own beer, cure sausages for two years before they are ready to eat, release thier bands shit on vinyl only, forage for wild mushrooms for the evening menu...... yes please.
The industrious hipster is a great thing.
As for doom, I can think of much worse musical trends to become popular. yeah, it will be sad to hear Doom Pop bands on the radio, but who the hell listens to radio any more?

I have never heard Torche on the radio.

rfurtkamp wrote:Those folks will come and go, and you'll still be doing what made you happy in the first place.

The only issues that kick in are when you're effectively tossed out of your own scene, but even then, it's 'make another' - I went through this as the "electronic" genre of music went from experimental, minimalist wacky musique concrete to nothing but EDM, so I do know your pain, but in the end, it's about what makes you happy, not what the tourists (band and fans alike) bring or take.

oh I know they will, just as mentioned before, you get punished a LOT more by people. I'm not going anywhere.

D.o.S. wrote:

AxAxSxS wrote:I've decided that I really like hipsters.
I need to subdivide the hipsters to explain. So your average hipster that spends an hour before they go out making sure their look is perfectly constructed so as to not look like they spent an hour trying to look that way, is not what I am talking about.
The ones who make artisanal goat cheese, Hand wind pickups around wooden bobbins, brew their own beer, cure sausages for two years before they are ready to eat, release thier bands shit on vinyl only, forage for wild mushrooms for the evening menu...... yes please.
The industrious hipster is a great thing.
As for doom, I can think of much worse musical trends to become popular. yeah, it will be sad to hear Doom Pop bands on the radio, but who the hell listens to radio any more?

I have never heard Torche on the radio.

When I read that I thought the same thing but restrained myself...mainly for fear of sounding like a doom-ster.

Fuck it dude. This is my swamp, as it were (has anyone else seen this Shrek is Love, Shrek is Life video?)

As far as the cultural cache goes... I thought everyone was onto the AmpRep jock already. That's the lame part about watching the ebb and flow of trends in loud music. Unsane was still just as awesome seven or eight years ago when everyone was all Sunn this, Boris that, OrMat what? you know? Now bitches just want to be the next Whores or the next KWC instead of the next Bongripper.

And all those bands are super cool and awesome (obvs.), but fuck me dude what happened on that particular Monday that makes it any different as far as everyone collectively realizing "oh hey this isn't shit after all."

Yeah I'm picking up what you're putting down there. As I mentioned previously, it was a matter of time. It's the nature of culture and subcultures, movements etc.
I too wonder when critical mass or tipping/ignition point occurs for some bands/scenes, sometimes its obvious. Usually I find those cases are the ones wherein bands turn out a more "marketable" record (although hard definitions of that are difficult to nail down these days) and suddenly blow up and attract people who may or may not (usually the latter) really understand or connect with a work, but come in droves as it's become a form of cultural capital to invest in, so to speak, are the ones where it is somewhat clearer.
Sometimes bands do genuinely turn out shit that is genuinely great and, as should be, picked up by a larger audience.
In the case of this whole "doom" thing though, which lets face it encompasses everything from generica sabbtia, as you would put it, dumb stoner rock to drone and near unlistenable noise, I'd say it has been a matter of time and momentum.
There are so many variables it is near impossible to accurately ascertain which may hold the most gravitas.

To be clear, I'm in Ax's camp. I don't really have a problem with more people cottoning on to the heavies. I think if more people took it seriously as an avenue for expression, social commentary, and, above all, art, the more open minded they might be to the deplorable state humanity and the planet is in.
I just fucking hate scenesters and hijackers of bandwagons. There is a difference.
I think mostly my venom comes from my home town being full of deadshits that will jump on a bandwagon because, "that's what's fucking cool right now".
They did it with hardcore.
Now they're doing it to cool shit.