ugh doom

[RR Bigman]

I kinda lost the plot with "Doom/Stoner/Sludge/whateverthefuckyoucallit" when that one Planes Mistaken For Stars album was labeled Stoner Rock. Dafuq music media?

[THEBEERHAMMER]

I kinda lost the plot with "Doom/Stoner/Sludge/whateverthefuckyoucallit" when that one Planes Mistaken For Stars album was labeled Stoner Rock. Dafuq music media?

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Dude right though? I was like how dafuk....i mean they looked way dirty and hairy and shit towards the end but mercy was....very not stoner rock. So emo. I guess its the same as how lords and coliseum and young widows were labeled stoner rock in the beginning. Or like how his hero is gone is grouped in with stoner doom whatever.

[AxAxSxS]

let's start a new genre that is based on, evoked, and evolved from gg allins discography and live performances

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I wish ladies wouldn't shave their heads.

I love dem doom toanz; the heaviness, the lack of pretension,...and dem slowed down tempoz. But every time a doom vocalist opens his mouth I wanna throw feces in it; not my feces, someone else's feces; perhaps some picked up out of a walmart parking lot.

The vox is why I wanna listen, but wind up just listening to Earth, Kylesa, Horseback and Dead Meadow instead.

If I were to quantify the direction I would go in musically; doom would definitely have an influence on that direction. Maybe more modern in tonality as far as bass, drums and vocals go; with the juxtaposition of creamy vintage vibes for the guitars.

There isn't a single Doom band in Spokane. Doesn't help that the culture is consistently 10 years behind the rest of the world. Everyone still wants to be Nu Metal, Staind, Tool, Godsmack and ICP wannabeees. Only a handful of bands are actually tasty in this here town and they are more noise rock outfits with very small followings.

So Doom is totally an untapped market. And I'll tap dat ass if I wanna.

Taste is subjective and people are gonna go through cycles. Am I late to the party? Sure why not. But I'm pretty mature and not fair weather in my tastes and I'll stick with a tired genre until it gets rediscovered by a new generation.

Everyone is entitled to their opinion and honestly; discussion about it is healthy. Hater gonna hate but I still love you all.

to bad you are not on our side of the mountains. There's still a ton of bands who who do the numetal/tool/ tired crap, but theres a bunch of really fucking good bands too who are doom/stoner influenced. I cant thing of any off the top of my head who are straight DOOM, maybe Lesbian, but there's some really good shit going on.

[Gearmond]

idk about the "lack of pretension" it appears to have the same level of pretension dudes talking about their vintage cars have. where they're all casual about it, but you know they fucking love talking about their Sunns, custom shit, vintage muffs, etc. etc. it's pretension is the same kind of pretension punk has, where if you aren't the right kind of shitty (which isn't even shitty, and probably costs a decent wad of cash to start) you're just kinda ignored. its like a junk food genre to me, and taking it seriously for good or bad doesn't make sense to me. i love it occasionally but the whole obsession of it, tongue in cheek or not, is past the point of just being silly imo. its like our equivalent of lawyer/doctors with signature LPs vintage plexis and klons. everyone is in a doom or shoegaze-y Dino Jr. band with a Sunn, Jag/Jazzy, and 3 boutique fuzzes, talks about TOANz and never SOANGS.

being gracefully noisy is more interesting imo. junk like this:
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y2QjIU9LwPc[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MVc3Z-bG6Eo[/youtube]
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V2gMXJEqt3c[/youtube]

its sorta like... stoner rock and stuff is like... early expressionist painting, but with tones, and doom is color field and later expressionist stuff where it has this cold minimal approach to "painting" if you will. the brushstroke/essential-color is the be all-end-all, and to me that is really only something that can be done at a certain point in time and be good; any time after its just catering to the audience and cashing in on past trends. like if its 2013 and you wanna dress like an 80's goth, go right ahead and have as much fun as you can but don't think you're hot shit and alternative for doing something thats already been done. the music stuff i linked feels more like... the tonal brush strokes/colors are more in service of the overall end product rather than a means to an end in themselves. like they're CLEARLY built on noise or noise-ish sounding sounds, but they're pretty and composed.

its a whole house, not a brick and a dozen or so guys in a basement looking at that brick and saying "damn, thats a nice brick"

[theavondon]

But really, I find that sonidero's point rings true, but also in other ways, I find myself liking "doom" gear. I do appreciate how I can drop a SS amp from the 70's and it's just fine. But, also, like, my favorite fuzz at the moment is the Bluebeard, the quintessential "OMG DOOM" pedal. But, it's just a really good fucking big muff. I compared it to seven other big muffs, and then sold all of the other ones. So, yeah. I dunno. I don't even make heavy music anymore, really. And, I hardly ever have. Nor do I listen to doom. And, outside of forums, I find most people not giving a flying fuck about what's "doom" and what's not "Doom" enough. But, then again, that's the internet for ya.

I dunno. Listen to more Jesus Lizard. Everyone should be listening to The Jesus Lizard more. Just, shut up and listen to The Jesus Lizard. C'mon.

[sonidero]

Yeah all yall missed the 90's... I never heard one person ever say the word Doom in relation to Music until like '05 or so...

LISTEN TO TRANCE RECORDS, it's the drummer from the Buttholes label and every band on there would Slay most DOOM bands... It's just the word of the moment and I use it as a joke... I've been playing the same stuff for 20 years and I say Doomgaze now just for shitzzz and gigglezzz...

GEAR IS GEAR!!!

Peavey stuff is well revered in the Blues and Zydeco circuits but you don't hear about that huh...

[theavondon]

I mean, my experiences with peavey gear have been filled with flames coming out of the top of amps.

Maybe I just have shit luck.

[rfurtkamp]

Peavey for me will be the godawful Bandit you were stuck with for a gig because you needed something louder than what you had, and swore to never again be stuck with it.

The tube stuff, well, I'm not fond of 70s southern rock enough. Had too many of their things with phasers and chorus and the like float through over the years.

I accept I'm a Fender and Roland guy. I'm ok with that.

And I'm ok with sludgy weird whatever, if it's doom today, it'll be deathcoreposterectiledysfunction tomorrow, doesn't really matter.

All that matters to me is "do I like it" whether it be in gear or in music.

As far as why to discuss the gear, frankly that's because it's a ton easier to discuss in practice - I can explain how and why a particular thing is useful to someone with whom I have no musical taste in common with whatsoever.

To discuss songs, we have to have those things in common - even down to what a "song" is.

[dubkitty]

Peavey for me will be the godawful Bandit you were stuck with for a gig because you needed something louder than what you had, and swore to never again be stuck with it.

i don't recall the model, but when my Twin crapped out on me i was stuck playing through a Peavey combo the whole time i was in the band in Eugene in 1982-83, and it was AWFUL. i was playing through a rig i didn't like at all because i was dead broke...the Peavey, an IC Big Muff that i couldn't use except on its lowest settings because it was so OTT, and a E-H quack box that was HORRIBLE. i really like having two 30W combo amps now--the Laney VC30 and a Kalamazoo Bass 30 i got for $250 off eBay with local pickup in a suburb a few miles from my current location--because i have a spare if one plays up.

[Bassus Sanguinis]

it's just doom this and doom that all over the place

doom fuzz doom amps doom guitars

...isn't that long when I said the same about all things psychedelic. Not that I don't like psychedelic music and ...other things. It's just the sloppy use of the term. Or then the scope of the term doesn't mean a lot to people, when not too many psychedelic bands have anything to do with altered states of consciousness or any of that.

Pretty much the same with doom metal I guess, one of my all time favorite metal genres ever since I first heard Candlemass in 1987. Can't complain if the old awesome bands get a brief moment of wider publicity now. The bad apples
on the bandwagon... well they will be forgotten in the next two decades.

[dase]

It's a cycle and most of yall weren't cognizant enough in the early 90's to watch Grunge and Rave raise the price on anything MUFF, MUSTANG, or MOOG to outrageous levels so there's that... Cycles man Cycles... Look around for the shit now that you don't think is worth nothing or stuff that gets discontinued and blown out and fill a closet up and come back in 15-20 years... Doom guys just want shit that works and is solid and for a long time people puked on Sunn, Peavey, Ampeg, Kramer, Ric and that's what was cheap in Pawn Shops so dirty ass broke Stoner Doomers that work minimum wage jobs could afford it...

Buy some modern cheap neglected stuff and start your own future genre of the minute...

yup.

Doom is like all genres that are marginally popular for a while: a bunch of people come out and do really, really shitty versions of it and jump on the bandwagon. The internet has made it a zillion times worse because the sheer number of bands out there is much more visible. Also there's this perception that it's 'easy' to play because it's uncomplicated music, and so people will just throw any old shit out there and call it 'doom' or 'drone' or 'noise'.

It will blow over (I thought everyone was moving on to 'shoegaze' now?) soon enough. In the meantime there are bands that react to the stagnation or whatever of the sound and try and do cool stuff with it, like The Body or Atriarch. Or you can do what I do and come up with amusing derogatory genre names for all the falses. My favourites so far are 'beard meme stoner' and 'ebay psych'.

[Andrew]

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ygvHZkkc62g[/youtube]



If people were copying these guys more then I wouldn't have a problem.

[warwick.hoy]

To clarify; by "lack of pretension" I mean to say,...the de-emphasis on or simplification of theatrics. The de-emphasis of shredtastic solos and showing off.

Of course there is always going to be cork sniffery surrounding gear but as SoniSombrero points out; I'm buying what I can afford and I don't care if that particular instrument/pedal/amp carries some sort of aesthetic genre specific stigma associated. The only thing I care about is rocking out.

EDIT: I'm really talking with a paper asshole as I never really paid attention to anything "doom" until recently and that was really a result of realizing that the tones that I am achieving with the gear that I have is of that flava and really just a happy accident more than anything else. I never set out to be a "doom" bassist or a "doom" guitarist. Fuck; the shit that I write/play is so happy/major sounding that the only similarity is an aggressively fuzzed out sound. I just find myself with any sort of interest because the music is intense and that is what inspires me/gets me excited.

[ryan summit]

. Or like how his hero is gone is grouped in with stoner doom whatever.

WHO IS DOING THAT!?!?!?
i have an image in my head
of those guys thinkin pot is for hippies
gotta keep our 90s harcore/crust
from bein lumped into other genres
i feel like hhig, state of fear, ausrotten,dystopia
and the whole tribal war shit
were filling a hole created by pussy punk
not that labels really matter
my father calls anything heavier
than stairway to heaven heavy metal
but when punkrock actually meant something to me
i would have hated bein called a stoner
retroactive genre-izing
we dont call sabbath stonerrock,do we?
i dont know why i care
it stll bothers me 15 years later

the 7" is long gone

[Warpsmasher]

Some random thoughts...

Black Sabbath bashing is something I have no problem with. I'm a Hawkwind man...

Sweet Leaf is a really, really, stupid song.

Dio >>>>>>>>Ozzy

Doom METAL, yes please. Tourists with sweaters and glasses, no thanks.

Stuff like Neurosis and High On Fire is pretty cool. I don't LOVE it, but I can certainly listen and appreciate it for what it is.

Kyuss > Sleep

Psychedelic aesthetics have been completely stereotypical and generic for a couple of decades now. 70's font and a phaser = instant psychedelic classification. It's too easy, and it can be applied to everything from super heavy shit to techno, pop, acoustic, whatever. I love some good stony trip jams to be sure, but tie dye and patchouli can fuck off. Yes I like Ozric Tentacles, but that doesn't mean I should have dreadlocks and a man-purse. Psychedelics aren't just for hippies, and I hate how cliched the whole subculture has become.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ADXnA8TOCgw[/youtube]