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You're really worked up over this

echorec wrote: It is a step back, because it offers less than a model currently in production (the Subsequent 37 CV). Moog took a step forward with the 37CV (based on user demand), now they've taken a half-step back by removing that feature. And as I said, they've now produced 3 different versions of the same model in one year, which is excessive.

Sub37 = $1,579.00
Subsequent37 = $1,579.00
Subsequent 37 CV = $1,799.00

It's just Sub37 V2.
While it's a "step down" from the 37 CV, it's a step up from the original 37, and at the same price (making it the "economy" model to the 37 CV).

whoismarykelly wrote:You're really worked up over this

Futile to argue with echorec over the retail instrument biz.

What about the 73bus?

Chankgeez wrote:

whoismarykelly wrote:You're really worked up over this

Futile to argue with echorec over the retail instrument biz.

I worked in MI for years. This product release is pretty standard stuff.

whoismarykelly wrote:You're really worked up over this

I'm not worked up at all. Your comparison just didn't fit. Moog & Fender are completely different companies in terms of size, culture, management, business practices, et cetera.

ILF is like the last hour of RETURN OF THE JEDI. You got the Ewoks battling on Endor, you got an aerial battle by the death star, the Emperor is talking about stuff...it's crazy.

This place is a space opera!

We're more than halfway through the year I'm sure we should change the thread title.

D.o.S. wrote:We're more than halfway through the year I'm sure we should change the thread title.

I haven't changed it, because preview is really easy to find in the search engine. Also, being topical is overrated.

Yeah I know this is just part and parcel of your gear prospecting. I was just curious.

That said, you're doing Jarvis's work here.

echorec wrote:The synth industry isn't the guitar/guitar effects industry. Companies like Moog, DSI, and Oberheim have a much more streamlined catalog than companies like Fender, EHX, Gibson, et cetera. You'll never see Moog release 15 simultaneous versions of the Voyager, like EHX does with the Big Muff or Gibson with the LP.

Check the details on the Moog Voyager Select Series down the page:
http://www.vintagesynth.com/moog/voyager.php
Eight different wood panel finishes, six different colors of backlighting, I believe with every combo available. Run in the span of years that pushed the XL and Old School variants as well.

I know it is a little analogous to finish and rosewood or maple combos on a single model of Strat, but that's 48 combos in the Select Series by my poor math. But still.

I have some vague recollection of a "Stage Edition" variant of another previously released synth, too. I remember because I recall joking that a teased mystery product would be the "Stage Edition" of the branded track suit they were selling at the time.

Sorry, but Moog has been even more of a "narcissism of small differences" "Malibu Stacy has a new hat!" brand than the current offense illustrates.

echorec wrote:

https://www.gearnews.com/superbooth-201 ... nthesizer/

Novation Peak

Well, nearly old school. It features three New Oxford Oscillators for each voice which they say “sound completely analogue by being high-quality NCO’s (numerically controlled oscillators).” While at the same time they have 17 digital wavetables to play with. They can also be used as a Linear FM source. For each voice there’s a resonant multi-mode analogue filter and distortion points both pre and post-filter as well as globally. There’s a bunch of effects built in as well as an arpeggiator.

There’s a complete 16-slot modulation matrix and 16 direct assignments in the main controls. There are three ADSR envelopes and two LFO’s for each voice. On the front panel there are two “Animate” buttons which do some sort of instant patch transformation, which sounds very interesting.
Connections include a single CV modulation input, which is nice, and the usual MIDI and USB.
Judging by the images, leaked by a couple of music stores, it has the look of the Bass Station II. It also has a little screen, presumably for patch saving/loading and access to deeper functionality. On the whole it looks excellent and just the sort of thing Novation should be doing in the current hardware obsessed climate.

Mylar upped a video for this today!

Gone Fission wrote:

echorec wrote:The synth industry isn't the guitar/guitar effects industry. Companies like Moog, DSI, and Oberheim have a much more streamlined catalog than companies like Fender, EHX, Gibson, et cetera. You'll never see Moog release 15 simultaneous versions of the Voyager, like EHX does with the Big Muff or Gibson with the LP.

Check the details on the Moog Voyager Select Series down the page:
http://www.vintagesynth.com/moog/voyager.php

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That timeline isn't complete. They don't mention the Voyager Performer and I think some of their production years are not fully conclusive. What's most noteworthy about these names was generally new cosmetic options, not changes to the circuitry. Depending on how closely you follow Moog's product rollouts, it's either more helpful or more confusing (for me, I'd say it's a mixture of both ).

(1) RME (keyless desktop version)
(2) Electric Blue
(3) Select---Electric Blue, but with buyer-customizable cosmetic options
(4) Old School (stripped-down anniversary model)
(5) XL
(6) Performer (Electric Blue with different wood?)

But even if all of the Voyagers over the past 13 years had been made available simultaneously (which they weren't), that would have only been 6 major models in 13 years (really 4). It would still pale in comparison to the output parity of companies like Fender/Gibson/EHX.

EHX currently has at least 14 Muffs in production (which is fucking ridiculous).

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/search?t ... r&Ntt=muff

Searching for Fender Stratocaster on MF yielded about 181 guitar results and a Gibson LP searched netted over 100 results. That's an extremely unbalanced scale and like I said before, it's hard to use manufacturing models from the synth industry to fit with the models in other industries, because the market's significantly smaller and the production output is much smaller by comparison.

http://www.musiciansfriend.com/guitars? ... stion=true

$harkToootth wrote:Mylar upped a video for this today!

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