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I do understand where you're coming from Seance but in word these days you can track changes and see edits, and if you feel like it use a new profile for every editing session so you can see the history of edits at a single glance. Like using different coloured pens every day but significantly less awful to read.

I'm all for physical writing and the experience of it if works for you. That's what I do with lyrics. But computers can technically do the things you are talking about.

Seance wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:There's nothing on your laptop stopping you from finishing a draft, saving it, then creating a separate revision. Clippy isn't going to pop out of the screen and punch you in the nose.

Right. And a piece of paper with ink on it allows you to instantly see all the various drafts all at once at a single glance.

If you're more interested in process than results I would like to invite you to the modular thread.

Zing

My two cents on DAWs: they’re not for me. I can see why people use them, but they aren’t fun to me. I play to have fun, and I’m currently trying to make my setup into something that can be used live with relative ease and is based around making music as a performance. Watching somebody play a laptop isn’t as fun as watching somebody play the keytar

Few things in life are as fun as watching somebody play the keytar, to be fair.

01010111 wrote:My two cents on DAWs: they’re not for me. I can see why people use them, but they aren’t fun to me. I play to have fun, and I’m currently trying to make my setup into something that can be used live with relative ease and is based around making music as a performance. Watching somebody play a laptop isn’t as fun as watching somebody play the keytar

I definitely agree. I really only pull out my computer when I am recording. And even then, I do all of my recording on a Zoom H5, so I really only use a computer for the final track.

Eivind August wrote:Few things in life are as fun as watching somebody play the keytar, to be fair.

This is also very true

coldbrightsunlight wrote:I do understand where you're coming from Seance but in word these days you can track changes and see edits, and if you feel like it use a new profile for every editing session so you can see the history of edits at a single glance. Like using different coloured pens every day but significantly less awful to read.

I'm all for physical writing and the experience of it if works for you. That's what I do with lyrics. But computers can technically do the things you are talking about.

I think the physicality of a process can engage the mind so that the self-doubt and second-guessing capacity is short-circuited.
Sure, a computer can now do a lot of those things that more simple techniques have been yielding for millennia, but sometimes
the immediacy of just writing something down is preferable.

D.o.S. wrote:

Seance wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:There's nothing on your laptop stopping you from finishing a draft, saving it, then creating a separate revision. Clippy isn't going to pop out of the screen and punch you in the nose.

Right. And a piece of paper with ink on it allows you to instantly see all the various drafts all at once at a single glance.

If you're more interested in process than results I would like to invite you to the modular thread.

Good writing is quite often about both content and form. And if a certain technique gets me in the right mindset,
then it isn't just some masturbatory formal exercise, but actually about a way of systematically reaching a
creative mindset that is conducive to feeling feelings and expressing feelings in an expressible form.

$harkToootth wrote:15. An ILF Discord was made which diverted a lot of site traffic.

Speaking of which, we still have missed you over the last year or however long it's been.
I don't think we've had a group convo in the voice channel since you left.

Also, I like Discord because I realized I revealed a little too much about my personal life on here and ended up with a couple of stalkers as a result of dumb internet arguments.

Seance wrote:

coldbrightsunlight wrote:I do understand where you're coming from Seance but in word these days you can track changes and see edits, and if you feel like it use a new profile for every editing session so you can see the history of edits at a single glance. Like using different coloured pens every day but significantly less awful to read.

I'm all for physical writing and the experience of it if works for you. That's what I do with lyrics. But computers can technically do the things you are talking about.

I think the physicality of a process can engage the mind so that the self-doubt and second-guessing capacity is short-circuited.
Sure, a computer can now do a lot of those things that more simple techniques have been yielding for millennia, but sometimes
the immediacy of just writing something down is preferable.

D.o.S. wrote:

Seance wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:There's nothing on your laptop stopping you from finishing a draft, saving it, then creating a separate revision. Clippy isn't going to pop out of the screen and punch you in the nose.

Right. And a piece of paper with ink on it allows you to instantly see all the various drafts all at once at a single glance.

If you're more interested in process than results I would like to invite you to the modular thread.

Good writing is quite often about both content and form. And if a certain technique gets me in the right mindset,
then it isn't just some masturbatory formal exercise, but actually about a way of systematically reaching a
creative mindset that is conducive to feeling feelings and expressing feelings in an expressible form.

I don't think we were disagreeing with the idea that physical writing engages your brain in a different way. At least I wasn't. I just thought the specific things you were saying in your earlier posts weren't actually the things computers can't do. All the things you're saying here are good reasons.

Pedantry forever

Correct. It's a flawed analogy at any rate because while there are many reasons to not use a computer for making music almost none of them meaningfully correlate to writing with pen and ink rather than a computer.

To paraphrase Following, If you want to feel like a writer you can use whatever you want. If you are a writer you'd use the best tool for the job.

jrfox92 wrote:

$harkToootth wrote:15. An ILF Discord was made which diverted a lot of site traffic.

Speaking of which, we still have missed you over the last year or however long it's been.
I don't think we've had a group convo in the voice channel since you left.

Also, I like Discord because I realized I revealed a little too much about my personal life on here and ended up with a couple of stalkers as a result of dumb internet arguments.

I remember that night! I had taken SO MUCH Adderall that day I remember just being in my basement, pacing around with laptop until some ungodly hour. People came in and out of the chat. Oh man... what a time 2 b alive!!!!

We should do another one in the near-ish future. I would love to hear about stalkers. (Who the fuck stalks someone on a Himalayan Salt Forum with a layout from 2003? )

Look, I've already apologised about the himalayan salt thing.

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coldbrightsunlight wrote: I don't think we were disagreeing with the idea that physical writing engages your brain in a different way. At least I wasn't. I just thought the specific things you were saying in your earlier posts weren't actually the things computers can't do. All the things you're saying here are good reasons.

Pedantry forever

A computer is capable of tons of stuff. That's part of the problem.

A piece of paper seldom beeps until I talk to my mother or a telemarketer.
A typewriter doesn't allow you to instantly access horse porn or distract you
into watching hours of commercials for soap from each decade.

A computer is a fantastic tool. But that doesn't mean it's the right tool for every job.
The open-endedness is sometimes too open and makes a person more inefficient
by allowing them to more easily derail themselves at every turn.

D.o.S. wrote:Correct. It's a flawed analogy at any rate because while there are many reasons to not use a computer for making music almost none of them meaningfully correlate to writing with pen and ink rather than a computer.

To paraphrase Following, If you want to feel like a writer you can use whatever you want. If you are a writer you'd use the best tool for the job.

My initial point was about planned obsolescence. After the grid goes down this thread will be just a dim memory.
It wont' exist. There will be no trace. The electrons that used to constitute 0s and 1s will still exist, but their
order will retain no meaning outside of standard electron behavior.

There are some computer-based sound systems that have a proprietary interface, storage, or retrieval system,
and that can mean that you can't use them after a certain point. Will Ableton Live be like that? Perhaps not,
since equipment might still be around to get audio in and out of a laptop or desktop or smartphone or whatever.
But what if all your choice jams are on iOmega Zip drives and you can't find a working Zip drive that has USB or
FireWire on EBay anymore?

There are books that have survived for hundreds if not thousands of years.

People still use the 1/4" jacks initially developed for landline telephone systems in the 19th century.