NEW Reverbs from the Dr.!!!

[Blurillaz]

Just a question, but are the "Bigberators" going to have spring reverb added to the circuit, or would that be too expensive/take up too much room? They sound great as-is, but if I remember correctly, that was one of the complaints a lot of TGP personnel had, but they all bought sprink chickens/Mr. Springys. I'm not very smart when it comes to pedal building. Though I did build a distortion, delay, green ringer clone and atari punk console.

By the sound of the Spring Chicken I beleive it's just an PT2399 Chip Design set to short delay time to get the psuedo reverb tone, nothing wrong with that but it's just how my ear perceives it.

eh, possibly. It still sounds better than most other reverb pedal's spring settings. (Boss RV-5, Digitech Reverb)

[Scruffie]

Just a question, but are the "Bigberators" going to have spring reverb added to the circuit, or would that be too expensive/take up too much room? They sound great as-is, but if I remember correctly, that was one of the complaints a lot of TGP personnel had, but they all bought sprink chickens/Mr. Springys. I'm not very smart when it comes to pedal building. Though I did build a distortion, delay, green ringer clone and atari punk console.

By the sound of the Spring Chicken I beleive it's just an PT2399 Chip Design set to short delay time to get the psuedo reverb tone, nothing wrong with that but it's just how my ear perceives it.

eh, possibly. It still sounds better than most other reverb pedal's spring settings. (Boss RV-5, Digitech Reverb)

Yeah I sorta misread your post..., anyway, I recon that's what it is, a quick slap back delay, giving it a nice spring sound, i'd have thought your own built Delay may get you to simmilar tones?

And ah... the Atari Punk Console, that's one crazy effect.

[Ryan]

David, I definitely am planning on adding the spring simulation to the bigberators.. great name too! It'll probably mean having to move into a bigger box though, those spring simulations come in big black plastic bricks that are about 1.5" x 3". The Spring Chicken, Mr. Springy, Hermida Reverb, and the GGG project all use the Belton reverb modules, like this: http://www.belton.co.kr/index.php?mm_code=75&recomm=B&class_code=CLS0002105

I hate to jump on that bandwagon but it's true that a lot of people wish there was a spring setting on the Reverberator and I agree, it would suit the pedal really well and make it a formidable weapon against acoustically dead environments.

I'm also nearly ready to test the decay control idea for the bigberator, I'll have a special testing part waiting for me to get back from our trip.. a high speed digital oscillator programmed by William of Molten Voltage.. it'll let me experiment with controlling the clock with an external signal. I'm a little skeptical of being able to do it, messing around with 12MHz oscillators inside guitar pedals will have a lot of complications that could easily make it impossible.. but I really want to try!

[Scruffie]

Oh is it the Belton Module? I knew the Mr Springy used it but didn't think the Spring Chicken did, I was interested in trying that one myself along with the Spinsemi FV-1, looks like it could be an interesting venture.

[Ryan]

Cool, Scruffie, I hadn't heard of that FV-1 before and it looks really cool! That's a fantastic reverb pedal waiting to be made there! I'm excited to get using the Belton module too, it seems like there's more than enough opportunity for everybody to get their own sound out of that module depending on how a person uses it/sets it up.

I think a PT2399 set up for reverb is a cool sound too, very spacious and ambient and different sounding. You ever mess around with the other chips in that series like the 2396? I've got a couple here but I haven't breadboarded it yet.

[Scruffie]

No infact I only really read about the other PT239s the other day other seeing there names in brief glances, If I could get some free samples from a supplier i'd be interested in what they can do, i've seen some attempts at psuedo flanging using them but i'm to short on cash to mess about with more chips

Yeah the reason I thought the spring Chicken was PT2399 was because of that slap back delay sound on the spring, which is a nice tone, I also like the chorus tones you can produce with a 2399.

Ah you're getting your hands on some Beltons, i'l be interested as to what you can coax out of it, it seems to have a bit of potential.

Yeah the FV-1 looks like it has a lot of potential for FX, shame it's surface mount for me, but you being a producer probably have less issue with that, would be an interesting dip into digital for me though.

[Ryan]

I say go for it, Scruffie! Soldering surface mount components really isn't very hard, it's a technique you'd get down quick I bet. Working with digital can require playing by some different rules than the analog circuits but it's nothing too complicated or difficult. I've never minded having to do the 3 surface mount chips in the Reverberator but I must say I'm looking forward to not having to solder pcbs much in the future.. and I'd never want to do whole boards of smd stuff, it took me hours to do the 4 miniberator prototypes, but I don't mind a few chips.. they're actually pretty quick once you get in the groove.

I'll probably use the Belton module with the longest decay time... I intend to set it up for a very nice and normal effect that can be pushed into something a little weird or unnatural. I like that everybody's Belton module based pedal seems to sound quite different.

Don't sweat the digital or surface mount stuff though, I bet you'd enjoy it! (that bet is based on our plethora of similar enjoyments)

[Scruffie]

Hmm, perhaps i'l give it a go, i'l need a hotter and finer tip iron though I imagine, but that'd probably be useful anyway.

Noo whole boards of SMD looks like it would hurt my eyes from the tiny size of everything and drive me nuts if anything went wrong, I guess I should stop worrying about SMD and give it a shot though, when something requires me to work with it anyway and if you say I should, then well I guess I say I should

Lots of decay sounds good to me, how I like my reverb and a little bit of strangeness is always a bonus, what happened to the miniberator Prototypes in the end anyway?

[Ryan]

Watch out, digital, here comes Scruffie! Shoot me an email anytime you wanna chat about working with digital stuff or doing smd soldering!

There's 4 miniberator prototypes hanging out on my amp behind me.. kind of excessive maybe but hey, I like a lot of reverb. When we get back from our trip and the miniberator progress is percolating nicely we'll start the contests for the 4 protos on this forum, so this fall they'll go to some ILF folks and we can't think of a better home for them!

Might give the 5th proto away too, that'll be the first one we make with a manufactured pcb that we'll hopefully have within 4 to 6 weeks.

[Nychthemeron]

Before that stack them all together to see how insane it sounds. STACKAGE = YES

[magnus02]

WOW!! just found this thread and couldn't be happier I did I LOVE my RRR and youre so so right... a spring setting would be the ultimate upgrade. Can't wait for any contests... better start exercising my brain Can't wait to hear more...

[Blurillaz]

Why do they have to enclose the Benton in that bulky plastic? I see no reason, aside from it somehow magically protects the parts...Stupid question, but is it possible to take the casing off?

[Scruffie]

Why do they have to enclose the Benton in that bulky plastic? I see no reason, aside from it somehow magically protects the parts...Stupid question, but is it possible to take the casing off?

My guess is it's an epoxy/silicon block, think of an IC, it's just like that basically but with more stuff than a standard IC holds inside it, don't think you'd be able to take it apart.

[Blurillaz]

Why do they have to enclose the Benton in that bulky plastic? I see no reason, aside from it somehow magically protects the parts...Stupid question, but is it possible to take the casing off?

My guess is it's an epoxy/silicon block, think of an IC, it's just like that basically but with more stuff than a standard IC holds inside it, don't think you'd be able to take it apart.

Oh. I thought they just put the componets in the box for some reason...

[Scruffie]

It's a fair assumption, it does just look like a black plastic box, i'm not certain without owning one or looking up the data sheet and i'm sure Ryan can ellaborate at some point, but that's what i'd think it was as it's a digital program, probably a whole circuit encased in the enclosure and sealed to protect it.