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jfrey wrote:I will make one more appearance. Just because it bothers me when someone argues with me and doesn't realize that they're not talking about the same thing as me.

So, lets take Received Pronunciation for the United Kingdom, General American for the United States, and General Australian for Australia, and for the sake of simplicity say that these are the only dialects of English. Within these dialects are subsets of accents. Think of language as a genre, dialect as subgenre, and accent as modification of subgenre (as in saying Metal, Sludge Metal, Progressive Sludge Metal - it isn't as exact analogy, but you get the gist of it right?). Each subsequent group is defined by more specific characteristics, however those characteristics act within the general rule set of the prior group, and contain many of the same elements. The things that separate them from the prior group - the peculiarities - define the dialect, or accent (or subgenre, and modified subgenre). Within each group however there are enduring or reemerging elements (Phonetics) which are not peculiar, but rather normative in terms of the overarching hierarchies. While the specific phonetic elements present in one group may be different from another - as peculiarities are distributed across the language differently - the same phonetic elements will be the same where present across dialect or accent, as they are by definition those things which are outside of peculiarity. If one speaks phonetically, they will be speaking in a way which is related to all accents, however is in fact outside of accent, as accent is defined by that which is not phonetic. A person speaking phonetically will sound the same whether they are from New York, or England, or Australia, and there are areas of some if not all which do.

bigchiefbc wrote:

jfrey wrote:I will make one more appearance. Just because it bothers me when someone argues with me and doesn't realize that they're not talking about the same thing as me.

So, lets take Received Pronunciation for the United Kingdom, General American for the United States, and General Australian for Australia, and for the sake of simplicity say that these are the only dialects of English. Within these dialects are subsets of accents. Think of language as a genre, dialect as subgenre, and accent as modification of subgenre (as in saying Metal, Sludge Metal, Progressive Sludge Metal - it isn't as exact analogy, but you get the gist of it right?). Each subsequent group is defined by more specific characteristics, however those characteristics act within the general rule set of the prior group, and contain many of the same elements. The things that separate them from the prior group - the peculiarities - define the dialect, or accent (or subgenre, and modified subgenre). Within each group however there are enduring or reemerging elements (Phonetics) which are not peculiar, but rather normative in terms of the overarching hierarchies. While the specific phonetic elements present in one group may be different from another - as peculiarities are distributed across the language differently - the same phonetic elements will be the same where present across dialect or accent, as they are by definition those things which are outside of peculiarity. If one speaks phonetically, they will be speaking in a way which is related to all accents, however is in fact outside of accent, as accent is defined by that which is not phonetic. A person speaking phonetically will sound the same whether they are from New York, or England, or Australia, and there are areas of some if not all which do.

But English isn't a perfectly phonetic language, like say German is. Different parts of the world have different "proper" pronounciations of English phonemes. People from USA think that people who say their A's as /ɒ/ have a British accent, whereas people in Britain think that people who pronounce their A's as /æ/ have an American accent. Neither is phonetically "correct" or "incorrect". Each is correct in their own parent accent.

magiclawnchair wrote:yall know what i sound like already...

Mudfuzz wrote:

magiclawnchair wrote:yall know what i sound like already...

bigchiefbc wrote:As I said before, any one of my pedal demo videos is 3/4 me talking anyways

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