The Doom Room: ILF Edition

[Ancient Astronaught]

He actually downgraded the meathammer. He used to put KT120s in it. I wonder what happened?

I have KT88s in my verellen. Love it. there aren't 6, but there are 4.

KT120's have some pretty specific power requirements from what I understand. I also have 4 KT88's but in my Dunwich, and I love it. In comparison to 6550's they feel looser but with a bigger low end. The 6550's are tighter, but the KT88's have this lovely billowing feeling to em. I personally like running two amps one with KT88's and one with EL34's. You get the best of both worlds, tight crunchy mid range and a huge billowing tsunami of Doom.

[samzadgan]

or just build a sports bar...

You tube videos are blocked at work now....

that sucks man...

[Ancient Astronaught]

Aye, yes it does...

[conky]

Hey Skip, did you ever decide on if you were gonna sell your PT1? I'll take it if you are.

[Ancient Astronaught]

Hey Skip, did you ever decide on if you were gonna sell your PT1? I'll take it if you are.

Yup its gonna go up for sale, I brought it home with me to take pics and clean it up tonight. I'll shoot you a PM later!

I was able to fit all my stuff on the new PTjr...

[conky]

I love a PT Jr. Its the perfect size for all of my pedals, but I'm just tired of carrying that SP404 around so I need something just a tad bigger. I'm gonna let my other guitarist use my JR for his board. Right now he's using a cut down piece off of a dvd shelf for a board. You don't have to worry about cleaning it up, just consider it sold.

The Echo Shifter looks pretty neat. What is the deal with the tuner? I've seen them but I don't know what kind of functions they have that the regular Pitchblack doesn't.

[Ancient Astronaught]

I love a PT Jr. Its the perfect size for all of my pedals, but I'm just tired of carrying that SP404 around so I need something just a tad bigger. I'm gonna let my other guitarist use my JR for his board. Right now he's using a cut down piece off of a dvd shelf for a board. You don't have to worry about cleaning it up, just consider it sold.

The Echo Shifter looks pretty neat. What is the deal with the tuner? I've seen them but I don't know what kind of functions they have that the regular Pitchblack doesn't.

Cool I will send you a PM shortly then!

The Pitchblack plus allows you to program in different tunings, and it has an a/b switch built in to the input. So what I do is plug the bass synth in input B and my bass in input A so I can switch between them depending on the song without having to have a second pedal.

[ridingeternity]

lol KT88 > 6550s

Corey's 6 Kt88 beast. hmmm

He actually downgraded the meathammer. He used to put KT120s in it. I wonder what happened?

I have KT88s in my verellen. Love it. there aren't 6, but there are 4.

Verellen started using 6550s in favor of KT88s and KT120s due to the fragility of KT88's and their higher chance of being affected by transport vibrations and being moved constantly(first half of the Verellen philosophy may be making killer brutally loud, great amps, but looking into the history of the company one learns that just as important to him is that the amp be reliable and efficient for touring bands) I wanted this thing to be a 6xKT88 monster and had swapped out any amp I had before with KT88s instead of the 6550s and can attest that while KT88s do sound the best on many levels, they don't last as long as the 6550s when being run 20+ hours a week and being gigged on top of that so when he gave me rundown of the results of the shootout he did with the 6550, KT88, KT120 and EL34 I had no qualms about running 6550s again.

It was through a lot of trial and error that he came back to 6550s for the 300w power section, his original models had 6550s, then he started experimenting with the KTs, then over the course of his observations with those models, ended up back at 6550s.

Also, the first model would be impossible to have been downgraded

[pelliott]

Once you're getting into the territory of a large amp such as that is the sound difference between a 6550 and a KT88 THAT much to anybody but those with an extremely trained ear?

[pelliott]

Also listening to Harkonen and Helms Alee the past few days coupled with this makes me want to hang out with Ben Verellen. Seemed like such a cool dude when I saw HA a couple years ago.

And want to save up for an unnecessarily loud amplifier such as the Meatsmoke because that just looks RIPPIN

[Ancient Astronaught]

Once you're getting into the territory of a large amp such as that is the sound difference between a 6550 and a KT88 THAT much to anybody but those with an extremely trained ear?

IMO, If your not consciously paying attention to and critiquing the tone, no. If your in a studio, and your able to listen back to takes through different tube sets then yes you can notice a difference. In a live setting, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that could hear a difference, especially in a band mix. Now can you hear a difference between say an EL34 and a KT88 or 6550 in a live situation or without paying dire attention, yes, that is a pretty drastic difference as their characters are completely different, much farther apart then a 6550 and a KT88.

[pelliott]

Once you're getting into the territory of a large amp such as that is the sound difference between a 6550 and a KT88 THAT much to anybody but those with an extremely trained ear?

IMO, If your not consciously paying attention to and critiquing the tone, no. If your in a studio, and your able to listen back to takes through different tube sets then yes you can notice a difference. In a live setting, you'd be hard pressed to find anyone that could hear a difference, especially in a band mix. Now can you hear a difference between say an EL34 and a KT88 or 6550 in a live situation or without paying dire attention, yes, that is a pretty drastic difference as their characters are completely different, much farther apart then a 6550 and a KT88.

Yeah I can understand listening to takes in the studio but generally I wouldn't think outside of that (other than the EL34 example I can understand) between those tubes it's much of a difference. But it appears you agree with me, anyway.

[AngryGoldfish]

Greetings Doom Room!

Recently acquired a piece of gear I figured you all might appreciate, never have I played an amp that reacted so well to fuzz.

I present to you the Verellen Meat Hammer, 300w all-tube hi-gain guitar amplifier. This thing is absolutely incredible, capable of achieving any crushing doom tone you have ever heard or could imagine:



Specs
6x6550 power section
6xECC83 pre
Clean and Gain channels
Boost on both
1/3 power switch turns off 4 tubes to bring it down to 100w(for those brickheaded sound dudes)
FX Loop
2x4ohm out
2x8ohm out

That's taken the cake. No one here has a louder amp. That's twelve tubes all together. My goodness.

So these are the hi hats I was talking about. Holy shit they sound so good. Paid $100.

I've always preferred Paiste hi-hats.

My replacement Vox Delaylab decided to do the same shit as the first one. Upgrading to the Line6 dl4. Should have bought that in the fucking first place.

Damn, that sucks. You can't go wrong with a DL4. But still, keep your eye out for a second-hand Timefactor. As Parker said, they're pretty cheap these days.

Hey Skip, did you ever decide on if you were gonna sell your PT1? I'll take it if you are.

Yup its gonna go up for sale, I brought it home with me to take pics and clean it up tonight. I'll shoot you a PM later!

I was able to fit all my stuff on the new PTjr...

That looks awesome. You've got the black and white theme going on again.

[Ancient Astronaught]

Yeah I can understand listening to takes in the studio but generally I wouldn't think outside of that (other than the EL34 example I can understand) between those tubes it's much of a difference. But it appears you agree with me, anyway.

I do concur! And as stated by RidingEternity, 6550's are some damn rugged tubes with very similar output to a KT88. My AD200B last for over a year playing 3 4-5 hour practices a week and numerous shows without a single issue.

That's taken the cake. No one here has a louder amp. That's twelve tubes all together. My goodness.

Not single amp that's louder, but I've got it beat by 125watts with my dual rig.

I hate being dethroned....

I was able to fit all my stuff on the new PTjr...

That looks awesome. You've got the black and white theme going on again.

Yes, yes I do.

[ridingeternity]

Once you're getting into the territory of a large amp such as that is the sound difference between a 6550 and a KT88 THAT much to anybody but those with an extremely trained ear?

It's a lot harder when you, the player yourself have that trained ear, it's less about whether the audience can hear the difference or not and much more about how the amp reacts to your playing and if it overall sounds fulfilling to you. But I guess at that point it depends on whether you feel superior for having the trained ear, or as a result just stoked to play some tunes with some killer tones for an audience.

It's like one of those existential realizations, if it doesn't sound exactly the way i'd like it to to my own ear...why then would I even play live?

I think many live performers can attest that there is a certain space to get lost in on stage, for myself...if my tone just isn't up to my own standard, it becomes a lot harder to let go and lose myself in that space, but I do agree on some level that there are some nuances in tone players have been known to nitpick and headache over when in all actuality its just a very minor, unnoticeable problem.