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jrfox92 wrote:

repoman wrote:Comparatively, people don't buy music anymore, they don't go see bands any more, they don't value music. Same with movies which were kind of the art of the 20th century along with music. They go to a movie and sit and pretend they are enjoying it or connecting with whatever dumb shit some guy in a spandex suit is zipping around the sky fighting Lord Gorgol or something idiotic.
There is nothing to replace, the interest is gone. Its a mostly a very superficial aspect of peoples lives compared to the past.

People can't afford to spend $25 on a record with only two songs you like every single week, anymore. Same with going to concerts (which are only getting more and more expensive, it seems).
Your argument about film (and your argument in general) is just the standard old-guy rant about how "they don't make 'em like they used to."
There's more to modern film than fantasy and sci-fi. Just because you don't enjoy or connect with it, doesn't mean everyone feels the same.
Just because kids aren't spending all their money on records and concerts doesn't mean they don't value music. It just means they're fucking poor.

I think you're really missing the point. Its not about the quality of the product, its about how the internet has become a catalyst for the rapid and constantly shifting nature of modern cultural interest, thus a lesser demand for the product, regardless of how good or shitty it might be. If anything, the expectation of an arrested state of culture is the the old man rant; desperately clinging to the nostalgia of times long gone.

Who fucking cares if the guitar is dead. I like playing guitar. Its fun. It shouldnt be defined as a means of gaining revenue, external acceptance, or recognition. Just allow it to have its innate purpose of creation, expression, and other metaphysical bullshit.

Blackened Soul wrote:

01010111 wrote:Yeah, they're right. The guitar's not the future...



...synthesizers are!

Oh boy oh boy more modular synth demos that all sound like they came from 1968..... So new, so fresh.. So... Mindfuckingly boring...

QFT

Its fun. It shouldnt be defined as a means of gaining revenue, external acceptance, or recognition. Just allow it to have its innate purpose of creation, expression, and other metaphysical bullshit.

That's what I was trying to type out. Exactly ^

Crazy to where one rather film or record to show rather than sit and experience like a sand mandala, like a synth track that's randomly rad so you try to start recording but your lust for recognition ruins the moment

comesect2.0 wrote: Crazy to where one rather film or record to show rather than sit and experience like a sand mandala, like a synth track that's randomly rad so you try to start recording but your lust for recognition ruins the moment

Amen. Comparative love has ruined humanity. Burn it all down. Anarcho-primitivism ftw.

Honestly I couldn't care whether the electric guitar dies, and not whether rock dies either. It cannot remain popular forever, and sooner or later is bound to become a niche. But that doesn't matter. There is still rad classical music in all sorts of styles being made, there is still a vibrant jazz scene. Yeah, Blue Train is probably not going to get produced again, but that doesn't matter - if I want Coltrane I can listen to Coltrane. Or I can go and listen to some modern stuff that is also great. Same thing will happen with guitar based music.

all i really got from this was some guy is tight that more ppl don't worship clapton than they used to?
clapton is his age you guys.

All I got from it was something about killing Reagan??? Weird.

jwar wrote:All I got from it was something about killing Reagan??? Weird.

jrfox92 wrote:
People can't afford to spend $25 on a record with only two songs you like every single week, anymore. Same with going to concerts (which are only getting more and more expensive, it seems).

They never did in the past, thats the point. You had less stuff so it was valued more, in addition to having to pay for it. It's dismissive to pass off the psychological mechanism that forking over that 12 dollars for the CD or whatever had back in the day vs. just stealing it off youtube. I absolutely believe that the monetary value transcended into greater emotional value than present.

Your argument about film (and your argument in general) is just the standard old-guy rant about how "they don't make 'em like they used to."
There's more to modern film than fantasy and sci-fi. Just because you don't enjoy or connect with it, doesn't mean everyone feels the same.
Just because kids aren't spending all their money on records and concerts doesn't mean they don't value music. It just means they're fucking poor.

I don't believe people 'connect' with the stuff as they did in the past because there is more of it. The internet is a much greater shift in consumption of media than something like TV or Radio imo. It's impact is currently underestimated. TV, Radio were major shifts, they were not ubiquitous throughout daily life like the internet is which is a huge difference.

repoman and comesect and ______ ilf pod cast all about internet.
.................its not because there is more of it, ...theres just less work to be done to get that somewhere in your head, which equals to less "talent" ...
think of books...takes years to write a memorable book maybe yeah? well im gonna go lay down a track real quick, post it all over, sit back and have the "that was fucking awesome" feedback come a pourin in....
which does nothing but help entertain your idea of being a musician....
and saying how not paying for somthing has an individual not value a form of art, that most definitely will have an impact on them, is showing how much your a slave to money repoman.
if it was not for the people of the web posting bands/movies/art for all to view I would have missed out on alot, I rip music onto my phone and I seek out cd-r burning movie collectors to purchase films I would have never known about were it not for yt...
internet has changed my 80's childhood for sure...less mom/pop shops.. good bye vhs/movie shops yadda yadda...deal with it.

You cant stop progress.

people are definitely still connecting with said entertainment just the mass populous likes whats handed to them, they arent going to go searching...too busy, so much being thrown at us, yep, theres "more of it" ......"it" is what? .. entertainment that happens to give the working masses a sense of self worth and everyday you are now the director of your own shit show, total control with a few taps of a button. Cheers to Artifice!
((illusion's))
other forms of art is simple to understand if one is to create by the standards of the studio, or who ever is in control, .....get one done, to get the other done, to fund the project you want to do, then continue the cycle of what sells...and it sells not because people want it, what is out there being referred to as crap remakes is because, no matter what, they will stay in business and their substance is easy...its shiny...it touches on how politics have influenced us to where theres no more fear, just gossip and a jump to say "im a bleeding heart!"....theres sex, murder, deceit, drugs, the accentuating sense of self to where red white and blue dont mean anything other than we are better than you.

the whole less means I hold it more dearly is stupid, it will break, crumble, get gunked till it turns to dust..this isnt people that live in little villages and brood a legion in order of having more a purpose than a mind seeking whats the new trend, its nice to have options though, us city folk...MORE! we need more of everything! its so fun to get pessimistic and take a look about saying "my god fuck...the world needs less people" but our purpose is clear....the future is now! THE RISE OF THE MACHINES! we will one day be not of flesh, no flesh shall be spared! THERES A REVOLUTION COMING VERY SOON!





people were more interesting before the acceleration of new tech/communication devices.. ...only because of wondering..." I wonder "

Ugly Nora wrote:The problem, as i see it, is that all of the good guitar riffs have already been created. I've crunched the numbers, and it is mathematically impossible to create any more of those iconic-level riffs on par with what we grew up on. So, people are looking for something different, not unlike Zima drinkers.

I crunched the numbers too. Nora is correct. Case closed...100%...no questions asked...it's over guys...
There are so many great quotes in this thread, namely Blackened Soul talking about the archaic yet at the same time topical nature of modular synths.
Witt, I'm glad you're back!

Can we use this thread to make a list of non-sequiters and euphemisms in the music/gear industry?
"Support bands..."
"Sonic exploration"
"New sounds"
"Childlike wonder" (really any reference to being a kid and being amazed)
"Part of the scene"

Also, I think comesect is onto something. I want to be able to not just hear, but smell music. Involving multiple senses is probably the future of Top 40.

Anyone read Paul Pope's 100%? In that comic he had strippers dancing behind X Ray machines so you can see them not just naked, but their insides. I think strip clubs will go in that direction too. Like give the dancers a lot of beans and have an internal cam that shows the gas build up as they dance.

Cooter pics 4 lyfe

For context on 'Gastro'

Music didn't end when Clapton got famous. Go figure that kids of a certain age range like the popular music of the time, grow up, and wonder why no one is falling in love with music that was created 40 years ago.

This guy's not exactly lamenting the lack of kids into John Philip Sousa. Now there was an American pop star.

I like...a lot...of djent. Although I think I prefer just the djent guitar players rather than a finished polished album. Some of those sound a tad over produced. RIP Justin Lowe. I enjoyed his playing a lot in AFTER THE BURIAL.

Also, declining sales at Guitar Center, Sam Ash, and Gibson are not great key metrics for consumption. People are just tired of getting ripped off. Not that I care if guitar playing is declining...cause I don't...also what Mathias said.

I think what's going to happen is comesect and I are going to start a fartcore band.