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Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:02 am**

Yeah so here is Alexander Pedals talking about why he doesn't use all eight modes.

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Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:09 am**

Everything being said is hella valid. I feel like at any given time there are two or three EQD pedals i want to try. I just don't remember what they are. Probably the Sea Machine, i guess? OH! And The Depths and the Night Wire seem cool. But i will almost certainly never have any of these. They're mostly out of my element and price range, and, again, i'd rather get something cheaper or more over the top in the same price range. If i played a very different style of music, with very different instruments, and didn't know about the Cooper AARP, the Arpanoid would seem great.

I guess i care less about getting the full use out of the chip per se, and more just about what it does. I will say the Bitquest seems more interesting than most of Alexander, Mr. Black, or OBNE to me, but each of those makers has done something that intrigued me. The Super Radical Delay seems really cool, it's fucking pricey. But once you get to shit like any of the single (analog style) delays or reverbs from these companies, it seems less exciting to me. But maybe it's just because i can't feel excited about Time/Feedback/Mix/Tone Delays in a world with Timebenders, DD-500s, the Nemesis, or even the Super Radical - let alone Eventide and Strymon - covering so many of my delay bases that i never really need that other thing, personally. But i recognize those two styles of delay pedal are incredibly different beasts, so oh well.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 1:17 am**

I, for one, wish I hadn't flipped my procession as fast as I did. I think there was a lot of fun in there that I didn't spend enough time with.
I'm super curious to hear the new pedal!

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 3:14 am**

i just picked up a reflector used since it was cheap and im trying to be like my spiritual leader neonblack
i really like OBNE and am super curious to try out their stuff, echoing a lot of the sentiment in this thread, but the price was right and disarm darcy's demo of it sounded really nice

mondegreen seems cool but im kind of bored with delays lately

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 7:46 am**

psychic vampire. wrote: I guess i care less about getting the full use out of the chip per se, and more just about what it does.

100% agree with you there. I don't feel like having more sounds is necessarily more value. Having a couple of pedals with less sounds makes life easier and you can stack effects etc. Bitquest with preset recall etc would be the tits but then youd be way above the price were talking here surely.

On topic I like the artwork on the mondegreen. Looks cool.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:37 am**

aholidayatthesea wrote:Yeah so here is Alexander Pedals talking about why he doesn't use all eight modes.

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AlexanderPedals wrote:To answer some of the questions:

All of our digital pedals use the FV-1. I am user #11 on the original Spin forum, and my dev board is the fourth one shipped. I've been active in the Spin community since 2006.

There are other brands out there rehashing stuff they stole from forums or tweaked from the ROM programs.

There are brands rehashing the same algorithms from product to product ad infinitum.

There are brands putting one algorithm in a pedal and selling it for more than what we charge.

I would consider those to be examples of "milking" it. Not putting in 100% of what the FV-1 can do in every single pedal is a bit different.

Why only three modes on our pedals? Couple of reasons. A three-way switch is a lot easier to deal with than a rotary switch or encoder. We can focus on sounds that go together. It makes the pedals less intimidating for buyers.

Could we put three modes from the Radical Delay in the F.13? Sure we could! No problem. But now we have a bunch of random stuff that doesn't go together, fit an artistic concept, or make any sense.

If you love the BitQuest, please buy one. Ryan is a great dude and deserves your support. If you like my stuff, you can buy that instead. Or in addition to. Our stuff is great value for money and sounds killer for a lot of folks. Maybe it's not your deal, that's cool - there are plenty of pedals I don't like either, and thankfully nobody makes me buy them. If anybody has any questions about our stuff (either Alexander or Disaster Area) I'm happy to answer them.

I actually agree fairly closely with the sentiment from Alexander Pedals.
I've never been into multi-effects (which is what you're all really talking about concerning the FV-1) and I know I'd get frustrated with having a pedal that does 20 million cool things but only lets me do one of them at a time.
That being said, I also think that if you're going to do a delay pedal or a flange pedal, etc. using the Spin, why not just do all of them instead of a few bits at a time?

Also, I'd like to point out the sheer number of companies that make "super-ultra-special-awesome" delays and reverbs that are just PT2399's and Belton Bricks with slight tweaks.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 10:42 am**

I have an arpanoid that a friend gave me. It's practically unusable as far as I'm concerned. There's no way to define key. The Timebender does the same thing except WAY better (and way more things too).

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:07 am**

jrfox92 wrote: I've never been into multi-effects (which is what you're all really talking about concerning the FV-1) and I know I'd get frustrated with having a pedal that does 20 million cool things but only lets me do one of them at a time.

As amazing as the BitQuest is, that was my one small gripe with it.

jrfox92 wrote: That being said, I also think that if you're going to do a delay pedal or a flange pedal, etc. using the Spin, why not just do all of them instead of a few bits at a time?

The Klon of Spin?

So, you're saying that all pedal builders who work with the Spin chips should be one pedal companies?

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:29 am**

I keep hearing people talk about "key" (everywhere on the board lately)...

This ain't about rules, it's about expression, man.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 11:42 am**

jrfox92 wrote:I think that if you're going to do a delay pedal or a flange pedal, etc. using the Spin, why not just do all of them instead of a few bits at a time?

That's basically my point boiled down to a single sentence. Thanks.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 12:02 pm**

Chankgeez wrote:
jrfox92 wrote: That being said, I also think that if you're going to do a delay pedal or a flange pedal, etc. using the Spin, why not just do all of them instead of a few bits at a time?
The Klon of Spin?

So, you're saying that all pedal builders who work with the Spin chips should be one pedal companies?

Mmmore like, instead of 15 different delays that have 3 modes, why not just one delay (sans things like EQ, etc.) that has the potential for all the modes?
Even when it comes to size, it's clear that you can do a lot of interesting things with a lot of potential adjustments inside a 1590B/125B enclosure.
Just look at what Joel's managed to do with his pedals.

Granted, that's overlooking the business portion of it all where having 15 delays that sell for $150-200 will rake in more money than one delay that's $200-300.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 4:30 pm**

First of all, abstractly, i agree there is little difference between a Spin Chip and a Belton Brick or a PT2399. I might think certain chips have better innate sounds, but they all amount to similar things.

Second of all

aholidayatthesea wrote:I have an arpanoid that a friend gave me. It's practically unusable as far as I'm concerned. There's no way to define key. The Timebender does the same thing except WAY better (and way more things too).

I have a Timebender, i love it. I am not getting an Arpanoid, but if i were to use it, in an utterly different style of music than what i play, i would use it differently than i do a Timebender.

Third of all

lordgalvar wrote:I keep hearing people talk about "key" (everywhere on the board lately)...

This ain't about rules, it's about expression, man.

This.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:34 pm**

psychic vampire. wrote:First of all, abstractly, i agree there is little difference between a Spin Chip and a Belton Brick or a PT2399. I might think certain chips have better innate sounds, but they all amount to similar things.

Second of all
aholidayatthesea wrote:I have an arpanoid that a friend gave me. It's practically unusable as far as I'm concerned. There's no way to define key. The Timebender does the same thing except WAY better (and way more things too).
I have a Timebender, i love it. I am not getting an Arpanoid, but if i were to use it, in an utterly different style of music than what i play, i would use it differently than i do a Timebender.

Third of all
lordgalvar wrote:I keep hearing people talk about "key" (everywhere on the board lately)...

This ain't about rules, it's about expression, man.
This.

Tell me more.

Like I said, I got it from a friend so I kind of don't want to sell it. I'd love to find ways that I can use it, so I could use some inspiration.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:51 pm**

I think if i was doing more stuff with tape loops and drones it would be fun to have it behind something like that and turn it on once in a while to let it go nuts, maybe at super high or low speeds, or just at weird settings. Couple it with a looper and a reverse reverb. That's my immediate, in this moment, stupid idea. I just think in a drone or noise or more out there context that isn't too concerned with traditionalism, there could be spots where i'd be like "Dick yeah" to hear an arpanoid suddenly appear, do its shitty thing, and then disappear, or use the looper and start with simple, low speed arps, and then loop faster or more complex ones over top and let the happy, Steve Reich-like accidents start to form and disintegrate.

But i've never used one and it might not be anywhere near good. That's just where my tired, in and out of sleep, got rejected from a med study brain goes.

Posted: **Tue Jun 21, 2016 6:54 pm**

Use the arpanoid on a drone with a rocktron talk box.

Or arpanoid to miku.

Feedback loop it.

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