ILOVEDRUMS... It Begins.

[Road Bull]

Yeah, I have fairly nice Zildjians that I am in the process of selling. I am making the full migration over to the dark side of 2002 Paiste. I am a fan. I love those big cymbals I have the 24" Reverend Al's Big Ass Ride (my right side crash) and love it for that. I am super happy with my set up at the moment. I might keep my eye open for a 22" 2002 Ride to use as a crash as well. But I recently bought a 4runner, partly because I wanted something secure to haul drums in, and partly because I always wanted one. So THAT has eaten a fair amount of my disposable income. But... When I have some coin to sling around again, I will be on the hunt for some good used Paiste 2002 metal. I have a 21" and a 18" crash on my home practice kit, and they feel like splashes compared to what I am used to using. The goal... way down the road, is to have pretty much an identical home practice kit that matches my full combat kit. BOOM! It's good to have goals.

[Vuvuzela]

Your on the right path my friend.

As far as crashes buy what ever cheap big cymbals you can find (20"+). If you hit them hard enough they're all crashes.

Zildjian 21" sweet ride is one of the best crashes ever. RIDES=CRASHES

[maggot]

Sabian XS20 ride is an awesome crash and not too expensive.

[TempusEdaxRerum]

I'm thinking of getting an averaged price drumset soon.
What would you guys suggest for doom that isn't too expensive that I'd feel like I would have to be a professional drummer to rationalize buying it.

[Ancient Astronaught]

I'm thinking of getting an averaged price drumset soon.
What would you guys suggest for doom that isn't too expensive that I'd feel like I would have to be a professional drummer to rationalize buying it.

Pearl Export series if your on a budget, if you can stretch it a bit more I say the Tama B/B (Birch / Bubinga) series is phenomenal.

[TempusEdaxRerum]

Thanks, I'll look into it.

[TempusEdaxRerum]

Any advantage in buying a kit that comes with cymbals/stands over buying individually?

[Ancient Astronaught]

Any advantage in buying a kit that comes with cymbals/stands over buying individually?

It usually saves you alot of money. Hardware isnt cheap (or if it is cheap is a piece of shit that wont last long) and cymbals can be pricey too. Plus usually theres sellers who don't want to separate so you can get the whole shebang for cheap than individual parts.

If your gonna do Doom look for something with larger diameters than standard so like 24-26" kick and 18" floor toms. Which isn't exactly easy but can be found. If you didn't live on the opposite coast I could hook you up like a mofo.

[TempusEdaxRerum]

Damn, I appreciate the notion. I'll see if i can find a kit with a larger kick drum.

[Road Bull]

Hey TempusEdaxRerum,

Welcome to the wonderful world of drums. Your money will go much further if you buy used. I am also in favor of larger diameter drums. 24/26" bass drums are sweet. 24" is a pretty good middle ground I suppose. Best thing to do is to be flexible and patient. Listen to a fair amount on youtube and whatnot. Then keep your eye out for good deals. If I was on a budget, I would look for good deals on older Tama gear. Their hardware is solid too. Don't stress too much about getting awesome drums to start out with. Even OK drums with new heads and tuning can sound awesome. Many sell kits as "Shell Only" kits. Meaning no hardware. Don't let that turn you off. You need a hi-hat stand and one or two other stands to start off with, besides a bass drum pedal and throne. But then, you can always mix and match as money allows.

[Muff_Diver]

Buy them used- its hard, if not impossible, to ruin drums in non-noticeable ways. Mid range tamas are cool because they come with diecast hoops and i think their suspension mount is a lot slicker than the pearl-style. However, I think a set of 70s/80s ludwigs are the best drums for under 1k, as well as the best drums period.

bigger drums are cool, but they can also be a little harder to tune. You can get a 16x16 floor tom to sound thunderous. a bigger rack tom is a good deviation from the standard kit sizes though; a 13 or 14 will pair nicely with a deeply-tuned 16 floor.

road bull is right though, cheap kits can sound great with new heads-they just look kinda funny.

if you're patient, you can get decent hardware used. The only two pieces of hardware to be cautious with are the kick pedal and hi hat stand. because they have moving parts, they may give you some grief if you buy used.

cymbals are nice to buy new since they have a 1-2 year warranty, so if you break it from playing (not dropping it) you can get a replacement from the manufacturer for shipping costs. But I also bought my cymbals used, so there are some deals to be had without the warranty.

[Ancient Astronaught]

However, I think a set of 70s/80s ludwigs are the best drums for under 1k, as well as the best drums period.

This is great advice, even the Rogers and Slingerlands from the 70's are still some of the best drums ever made. Yet some how are still available for reasonable prices if you look.

[Muff_Diver]

However, I think a set of 70s/80s ludwigs are the best drums for under 1k, as well as the best drums period.

This is great advice, even the Rogers and Slingerlands from the 70's are still some of the best drums ever made. Yet some how are still available for reasonable prices if you look.

Right?! such beauty, such sound.

[Ancient Astronaught]

Has anyone tried the Sabian Bash rides, the 21" and 24"? I'm gonna start up grading my cymbals soon as was thinking of picking up those two plus a AA or AAX 20" crash and a set of those 16" AAX Fast Hats then keeping my APX set as backups. I'd love to find one of those rare Sabian 28" AA medium rides but they are damn near impossible to find, unless I could find two other people to go in on a group buy custom shop order (custom shop orders require a minimum of three ordered).

However, I think a set of 70s/80s ludwigs are the best drums for under 1k, as well as the best drums period.

This is great advice, even the Rogers and Slingerlands from the 70's are still some of the best drums ever made. Yet some how are still available for reasonable prices if you look.

Right?! such beauty, such sound.

Most definitely!!!! and the wraps of those times are amazing as they age. One of the best sounding kits I ever played was a early 70's Slingerland in a 26/14/18/20 setup, guuhhhhhh they sound so full and round and deep......

[Muff_Diver]

Most definitely!!!! and the wraps of those times are amazing as they age. One of the best sounding kits I ever played was a early 70's Slingerland in a 26/14/18/20 setup, guuhhhhhh they sound so full and round and deep......

Its all about the round-over bearing edges. I dont think anyone non-custom brand does those anymore-even ludwigs current "vintage" kits still have double 45s which really baffles me- whats the point of marketing a kit as being vintage-style when they cant even sound the same?