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jrfox92 wrote:Based on how the Democrats are setting the tone for the next four-to-eight years (bitch, whine, moan, spread bullshit as much as possible), I find it highly probable that we're gonna have a solidly Republican government (barring any truly massive scandals, but that didn't affect Obama, so I wouldn't bet on it) for the next decade.

Totally! Republicans just spent the last eight years bitching, whining, moaning, spreading bullshit, and behaving like children (while in office) as a response to Obama, which is why we no longer have any Republican politicians!

bennroe wrote:Totally! Republicans just spent the last eight years bitching, whining, moaning, spreading bullshit, and behaving like children (while in office) as a response to Obama, which is why we no longer have any Republican politicians!

They didn't try to make the electors change their votes after the fact.

jrfox92 wrote:

bennroe wrote:Totally! Republicans just spent the last eight years bitching, whining, moaning, spreading bullshit, and behaving like children (while in office) as a response to Obama, which is why we no longer have any Republican politicians!

They didn't try to make the electors change their votes after the fact.

Yeah, but you see, it was her turn..

This whole thing is stupid and just makes all non rightwing people look bad. Just like all the protesting. how about just admitting they fucked up and get on with actually doing something actually productive…. Oh wait! 's more important to save us from click bait… and lets all blame russia for their dirty laundry out… like I said at the beginning of this mess trump might not be what we want but it might be what we deserve due to our own stupidity.

Mudfuzz wrote:

jrfox92 wrote:

bennroe wrote:Totally! Republicans just spent the last eight years bitching, whining, moaning, spreading bullshit, and behaving like children (while in office) as a response to Obama, which is why we no longer have any Republican politicians!

They didn't try to make the electors change their votes after the fact.

Yeah, but you see, it was her turn..

This whole thing is stupid and just makes all non rightwing people look bad. Just like all the protesting. how about just admitting they fucked up and get on with actually doing something productive.

That would require a modicum of self-awareness, maturity and sincerity of conviction; integrity. But why settle for that when you can have dug-in-heels on demonization of opposition and identity politics with lined-up excuses and conspiracy theories, outrage over who is responsible for a purported hack instead of who is responsible for the dirty laundry it revealed. But most scust of scusts is the unwillingness to accept accountability for the magnitude-10 failure that was an unsuccessful 1.2 billion dollar campaign. The Daycare Generation apparently has its fair share of proxy Gen Xers & Babyboomers, too. How embarrassing.

rustywire wrote:The Daycare Generation apparently has its fair share of proxy Gen Xers & Babyboomers, too. How embarrassing.

Who do you think got them into daycare in the first place?

I just want to take a moment and say "fuck you" to the health care system and to the "Affordable Healthcare" Act. My wife and I went up in income and this year are projected to make a wage that would be great for us, but still not great in the long run. Thanks to the Affordable Healthcare Act, we are now going to be in the black again. She got a raise, I started making some money and now insurance is un-affordable once again. We do not make even 6 figures combined and insurance for good stuff is 600 plus a month. Seriously ridiculous. I cannot afford it. I have three fucking kids, a loan, credit cards and medical bills. That's doesn't matter though! My Gross Income is what they base it on, not my net. I had to fight all over the motherfucker to find a plan that covers my prescriptions and medications at the same time. It's damn near impossible. Now we are trying to get on her work plan, which is 600 a month as well but pre-tax. So it stings less.

Honestly, what the fuck do they expect people to do here?? I was seconds away from just taking the penalty, but my kids need insurance. Fuck this Country for not fighting these bastards who are controlling our healthcare system.

jwar wrote:Honestly, what the fuck do they expect people to do here?? I was seconds away from just taking the penalty, but my kids need insurance. Fuck this Country for not fighting these bastards who are controlling our healthcare system.

Think of it like this: that bullshit system is likely to be dismantled under Trump.
Clinton probably would've made it even worse than it already was.

Universal health care, my ass.

Well it's universal in the fact that it's supposed to cover everyone, in the end game every single person, in the US. Which means people that can pay will now pay more to cover those that can't.

Unfortunately it doesn't account for the fact that most people are barely scraping by as is and are most likely going to get plowed by this. Jwar's post definitely isn't the first time I've read/heard something like that, seems to be pretty standard for people that aren't breaking 6 figures/have kids.

jrfox92 wrote:

jwar wrote:Honestly, what the fuck do they expect people to do here?? I was seconds away from just taking the penalty, but my kids need insurance. Fuck this Country for not fighting these bastards who are controlling our healthcare system.

Think of it like this: that bullshit system is likely to be dismantled under Trump.
Clinton probably would've made it even worse than it already was.

Universal health care, my ass.

I'm not sure that dismantling it is the right solution. Refining it and putting a restriction on how much they can charge would help however. If you're going to force people to go through the fucking Marketplace, at least make the goddamn website work. It's a piece of shit and crashes all the time. Every year we've had an issue with renewing. Usually we end up on the phone with some dimwit for an hour. It's not fair. Insurance is literally un-affordable now. Obama tried to do something good and destroyed our already terrible healthcare system. I used to be able to get insurance for 200 bucks a months and that was expensive. That was before this fucking cock sucker Affordable Health Care Act.

I get they want everyone to have insurance. I do. Guess what though? You can't make it work if you're forcing the low class to pay for it fuckers! We can't afford it!!! Middle class is no longer a thing. You're either rich or poor because of how much everything costs now. So fuck this system.

I hope Trump does something, but I'm not sure he will. If he does though, it won't be until next year.

Strange Tales wrote:Well it's universal in the fact that it's supposed to cover everyone, in the end game every single person, in the US. Which means people that can pay will now pay more to cover those that can't.

Unfortunately it doesn't account for the fact that most people are barely scraping by as is and are most likely going to get plowed by this. Jwar's post definitely isn't the first time I've read/heard something like that, seems to be pretty standard for people that aren't breaking 6 figures/have kids.

It's completely unfair. I want to help folks too, but there has to be a better way. The fucking insurance companies in the country need to be fucking kicked in the nuts. They are the problem here as well as the Pharmaceutical companies.

The way I've always viewed it, you shouldn't be allowed to force people to get health insurance.

This system is so fucked up beyond anyone's imagination that no one even seemed to notice that, technically, under law, IT'S A FUCKING TAX.

Ain't nothing happening to Big Pharma or any other lobbyists. Confirmed when CBD became a Schedule 1 drug.

The only hope that I can see for people in these situations is that Trump actually goes through with destroying the ACA, fucking over millions upon millions, but allowing people to shop insurance for way reduced prices.

Strange Tales wrote:The only hope that I can see for people in these situations is that Trump actually goes through with destroying the ACA, fucking over millions upon millions, but allowing people to shop insurance for way reduced prices.

I don't see how he'd fuck over millions, though.
He's already said he wants to keep to shit people wanted (stay on your parents' plan until you're 26, insurance companies can't refuse people for preexisting conditions), so, who's getting fucked over, specifically?

jrfox92 wrote:

Strange Tales wrote:The only hope that I can see for people in these situations is that Trump actually goes through with destroying the ACA, fucking over millions upon millions, but allowing people to shop insurance for way reduced prices.

I don't see how he'd fuck over millions, though.
He's already said he wants to keep to shit people wanted (stay on your parents' plan until you're 26, insurance companies can't refuse people for preexisting conditions), so, who's getting fucked over, specifically?

The folks that are so poor they can't afford shit most likely.

What it really doesn't account for is self-employment and the difference between gross and net income. Fox and Jwar aren't wrong, but they're blaming the wrong people/institutions, I think.

The ACA is a colossal failure and probably the worst part of the Obama presidency, not because it exists, but because it doesn't go far enough towards allowing affordable access to health care which, while not a Constitutional right, is pretty much agreed upon to be a fairly obvious benefit of living in a society that is fortunate enough to swing it. In order for this system to be able to work at all, they needed to have a government option that would act as a control. I know people cringe at things that evoke "socialism" but it's the only way to keep, say, health insurance companies in line if you're going to make everyone buy their product (which, ew anyway, but that's a different story).

The reason insurance rates are skyrocketing? Because health insurance companies are claiming that they didn't have data on all the people who became newly insured under Obamacare.

Think about that for a second.
*All the people who couldn't get health insurance before (pick your reason: preexisting conditions, expense, etc.) now have to have it, which means in the long and short of it insurance companies are losing money, because they're paying out claims to people they simply wouldn't have covered before, so they're raising rates, and they're sticking people with the bill because they don't have another entity (like, say, a government agency) who can offer an artificially competitive rate to keep health insurance prices low. *

That's fucked up.

People will bitch and say that isn't a free market system, and they're right, but I would think that something like health care absolutely shouldn't be governed according to the free market.