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D.o.S. wrote:British Citizenship by Double Descent (1981 S14(2) Crown Service)
British Citizenship by Descent (Parent born in UK pre 1983)

I really wouldn't pin any hopes on life in the UK being a significant improvement over the US.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:

Ugly Nora wrote:

UglyCasanova wrote:*slow clap*

Great job, 'Murica.



Well, here's to hoping the USD plummets so I can get some cheap pedals. On the bright side, maybe Trump will move those US soliders out of Norway so he and Putin can remain batty boys.

Why do you refuse to accept responsibility for your own actions? The fact remains that the reason the US soliers are in Norway is because the politicians that you and your countrymen voted for are allowing them to be there. Simple as that. Don't like it? Protest your government for making that decision. Or perhaps look at yourself and decide where you went wrong voting for the politicians that are allowing it to happen and next time make smarter choices.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:Geopolitics command politics. No alternative system of alliance is available to Norway.

Note that the situation is identical for France. Our historic alliances in Latin America, Russia, Africa and Asia are in jeopardy and precarious due to the US's destabilizing the equilibrium of all of these regions in order to put pressure on the non aligned friendlies... which is working tremendously.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:Do you realize you are talking about 4 millions of people? Do you realize the US's military budget is superior to the Norwegian GDP by 20%? It's what alliances are for. France however, is more guilty of renouncement, because we have the means of independence on many account (that starts with nuclear dissuasion and the industrial capabilities to produce the entire arsenal for modern warfare, however it's not very trendy because budget cuts and deficit and debt and all that BS that comes with being part of the EU and the Euro, which proves again that geopolitics command politics).

I don't think he understand how it works, still. It's pretty amazing.


Let me try again. WE are part of NATO. WE need NATO because we have no one else to turn to. WE can't change NATO policies (read: neither can our politicians). WE do not control NATO. WE are a country of 5 million people. NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. The US used a loophole (AKA doing something that is against the purpose of the contract) to be OFFENSIVE. WE are stuck between A) dealing with it, or B) being open to attacks from ANYONE. Conclusion: WE are fucked either way because the US are paranoid parrot military cunts still living by an empirical mindset.

chrisdermo wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:British Citizenship by Double Descent (1981 S14(2) Crown Service)
British Citizenship by Descent (Parent born in UK pre 1983)

I really wouldn't pin any hopes on life in the UK being a significant improvement over the US.

If he has UK citizenship, he has EU citizenship has long has the UK hasn't legally removed from the treaties, which would allow him to find another citizenship within the EU relatively easily.

Also, to supplement UC, the only country to ever leave NATO was France, and we had our own nuclear bomb that helped tremendously in this process.

UglyCasanova wrote:

Disarm D'arcy wrote:

Ugly Nora wrote:

UglyCasanova wrote:*slow clap*

Great job, 'Murica.



Well, here's to hoping the USD plummets so I can get some cheap pedals. On the bright side, maybe Trump will move those US soliders out of Norway so he and Putin can remain batty boys.

Why do you refuse to accept responsibility for your own actions? The fact remains that the reason the US soliers are in Norway is because the politicians that you and your countrymen voted for are allowing them to be there. Simple as that. Don't like it? Protest your government for making that decision. Or perhaps look at yourself and decide where you went wrong voting for the politicians that are allowing it to happen and next time make smarter choices.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:Geopolitics command politics. No alternative system of alliance is available to Norway.

Note that the situation is identical for France. Our historic alliances in Latin America, Russia, Africa and Asia are in jeopardy and precarious due to the US's destabilizing the equilibrium of all of these regions in order to put pressure on the non aligned friendlies... which is working tremendously.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:Do you realize you are talking about 4 millions of people? Do you realize the US's military budget is superior to the Norwegian GDP by 20%? It's what alliances are for. France however, is more guilty of renouncement, because we have the means of independence on many account (that starts with nuclear dissuasion and the industrial capabilities to produce the entire arsenal for modern warfare, however it's not very trendy because budget cuts and deficit and debt and all that BS that comes with being part of the EU and the Euro, which proves again that geopolitics command politics).

I don't think he understand how it works, still. It's pretty amazing.


Let me try again. WE are part of NATO. WE need NATO because we have no one else to turn to. WE can't change NATO policies (read: neither can our politicians). WE do not control NATO. WE are a country of 5 million people. NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. The US used a loophole (AKA doing something that is against the purpose of the contract) to be OFFENSIVE. WE are stuck between A) dealing with it, or B) being open to attacks from ANYONE. Conclusion: WE are fucked either way because the US are paranoid parrot military cunts still living by an empirical mindset.

I do understand. I don't think you understand that you are contradicting yourself in every post. In one breath you say the US has no business being in Norway, and in the next breath you say you need our help. Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are compromises in the adult world.

Also, your anti American rhetoric is tiring and not needed on a gear forum. Why lump all Americans together and call them stupid and cunts? You do realize that our population is about as diverse as it comes, dont you? Does that really seem appropriate? What's the difference between your hate speech and someone calling black people niggers or gay people faggots? Hint: there isnt.

woof.

Ugly Nora wrote:Also, your anti American rhetoric is tiring and not needed on a gear forum. Why lump all Americans together and call them stupid and cunts? You do realize that our population is about as diverse as it comes, dont you? Does that really seem appropriate? What's the difference between your hate speech and someone calling black people niggers or gay people faggots? Hint: there isnt.

11.9.2016: When Ugly Nora formally requested a safe space on ILF.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:

chrisdermo wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:British Citizenship by Double Descent (1981 S14(2) Crown Service)
British Citizenship by Descent (Parent born in UK pre 1983)

I really wouldn't pin any hopes on life in the UK being a significant improvement over the US.

If he has UK citizenship, he has EU citizenship has long has the UK hasn't legally removed from the treaties, which would allow him to find another citizenship within the EU relatively easily.

Also, to supplement UC, the only country to ever leave NATO was France, and we had our own nuclear bomb that helped tremendously in this process.

Isn't it all still up in the air about how British citizens living in Europe will be dealt with post-Brexit? I sincerely hope the free movement of people is maintained, in which case yeah, the British citizenship is still pretty useful. I still have a glimmer of hope that Brexit won't happen at all.

UN: There's no contradiction in UC's posts. He explained to you why Norway was in NATO, and that's it's essentially a blend of a trap and being press ganged into it. His position is that no matter how unpleasant that situation is, alternatives are non existent or unavailable to his country at the moment. Basically, he would if he could. He can't, so he won't. But how should that stop him from posting how fucked up the situation is and to deplore the influence of the US's foreign affairs with Russia, and how Norway is dragged into it for the sole reason they're geographically close to Russia?

As for how you described UC, it's at best sophistic and misinformed. He cares because he loves.

Also calling someone stupid != using words that exist solely for oppression and hate. I don't get how you make that point with a straight face.

chrisdermo wrote:

Disarm D'arcy wrote:

chrisdermo wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:British Citizenship by Double Descent (1981 S14(2) Crown Service)
British Citizenship by Descent (Parent born in UK pre 1983)

I really wouldn't pin any hopes on life in the UK being a significant improvement over the US.

If he has UK citizenship, he has EU citizenship has long has the UK hasn't legally removed from the treaties, which would allow him to find another citizenship within the EU relatively easily.

Also, to supplement UC, the only country to ever leave NATO was France, and we had our own nuclear bomb that helped tremendously in this process.

Isn't it all still up in the air about how British citizens living in Europe will be dealt with post-Brexit? I sincerely hope the free movement of people is maintained, in which case yeah, the British citizenship is still pretty useful. I still have a glimmer of hope that Brexit won't happen at all.

I am banking on a similar hope. Plus I have other reasons to move over there beyond our newly elected discarded salami casing, this just speeds up the timeline a little.

On the brighter side: we (as a state) legalized weed and implemented ranked choice voting, so I'm proud to live where I live (at least at the local level)

chrisdermo wrote: Isn't it all still up in the air about how British citizens living in Europe will be dealt with post-Brexit? I sincerely hope the free movement of people is maintained, in which case yeah, the British citizenship is still pretty useful. I still have a glimmer of hope that Brexit won't happen at all.

It is but I doubt a minimal agreement won't be found for all the UK citizens residing elsewhere in the EU and vice versa, because higher legal principles will render the treaty unenforceable otherwise, namely the ECHR convention, EUFRC, UHRD at UN level, and maybe even some constitutional rights at UK level could be at play. That's what's really funny about the situation. No one in the UK realized it wouldn't happen overnight and IMO it's at best an 8-10 years process.

libs once again acting like little kids having a temper tantrum on social media

modern liberals are socialists that hate people

Ugly Nora wrote:

UglyCasanova wrote:

Disarm D'arcy wrote:

Ugly Nora wrote:

UglyCasanova wrote:*slow clap*

Great job, 'Murica.



Well, here's to hoping the USD plummets so I can get some cheap pedals. On the bright side, maybe Trump will move those US soliders out of Norway so he and Putin can remain batty boys.

Why do you refuse to accept responsibility for your own actions? The fact remains that the reason the US soliers are in Norway is because the politicians that you and your countrymen voted for are allowing them to be there. Simple as that. Don't like it? Protest your government for making that decision. Or perhaps look at yourself and decide where you went wrong voting for the politicians that are allowing it to happen and next time make smarter choices.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:Geopolitics command politics. No alternative system of alliance is available to Norway.

Note that the situation is identical for France. Our historic alliances in Latin America, Russia, Africa and Asia are in jeopardy and precarious due to the US's destabilizing the equilibrium of all of these regions in order to put pressure on the non aligned friendlies... which is working tremendously.

Disarm D'arcy wrote:Do you realize you are talking about 4 millions of people? Do you realize the US's military budget is superior to the Norwegian GDP by 20%? It's what alliances are for. France however, is more guilty of renouncement, because we have the means of independence on many account (that starts with nuclear dissuasion and the industrial capabilities to produce the entire arsenal for modern warfare, however it's not very trendy because budget cuts and deficit and debt and all that BS that comes with being part of the EU and the Euro, which proves again that geopolitics command politics).

I don't think he understand how it works, still. It's pretty amazing.


Let me try again. WE are part of NATO. WE need NATO because we have no one else to turn to. WE can't change NATO policies (read: neither can our politicians). WE do not control NATO. WE are a country of 5 million people. NATO is a DEFENSIVE alliance. The US used a loophole (AKA doing something that is against the purpose of the contract) to be OFFENSIVE. WE are stuck between A) dealing with it, or B) being open to attacks from ANYONE. Conclusion: WE are fucked either way because the US are paranoid parrot military cunts still living by an empirical mindset.

I do understand. I don't think you understand that you are contradicting yourself in every post. In one breath you say the US has no business being in Norway, and in the next breath you say you need our help. Well you can't have your cake and eat it too. There are compromises in the adult world.

Also, your anti American rhetoric is tiring and not needed on a gear forum. Why lump all Americans together and call them stupid and cunts? You do realize that our population is about as diverse as it comes, dont you? Does that really seem appropriate? What's the difference between your hate speech and someone calling black people niggers or gay people faggots? Hint: there isnt.

Being in an alliance is fine. I don't mind that.
Going against the intent of the alliance I don't appreciate.
This is not contradictory. To point out that something is fucky within an alliance whilst still seeing the benefit of the alliance is not contradictory. If you were under attack, we'd come to help you. If we are under attack, you'd come help us. You know, being a defensive alliance;, the way NATO is supposed to work? Right now, we are not under attack, but you're still here. See how that's a little fucky?

I did not say "the American people", I said "the US" (personification). Same way you can call citrus fruits sour even if there are sweet oranges around. Don't twist my rhetoric around and compare calling out a system's ideology to individual slurs. Instead, try focusing on the fact that you don't know how international politics work.

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