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D.o.S. wrote:

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http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night%27s_King
Bran Stark recalls stories told to the Stark children of the Night's King and the Nightfort by Old Nan, servant in Winterfell. She said some people believe the Night's King was a Bolton, a Magnar out of Skagos, an Umber, a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot, who ruled Bear Island before the ironmen came. However, she identifies the Night's King as a Stark of Winterfell and brother to the King of the North and hints his name too was Bran.

Much ado about nothing, IMO.

I'm still months away from rereading the books, though.

Iommic Pope wrote:

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Yeah, that's right. It was the Andals that cut down all the heart trees and drove the Children of the Forest North, wasn't it?

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t-rey wrote: Can someone who remembers the books better than me please explain what happens at Craster's in the books? I can't remember any real mention of it after the betrayal, but I could be wrong since so much shit goes down at the end of book three.

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After the mutiny, Sam is still there for a while talking to Mormont until he dies. He said that the mutineers were all raiding the food and raping the wives. Then Sam eventually leaves, and that's the last time we actually see Crasters. As for the mutineers, there's a Bran chapter in ADWD where Coldhands tells them to stop as he has some people he has to go "take care of". Bran wargs into Summer and sees dead bodies, all wearing Night's Watch clothes, and then starts to eat them. The consensus on westeros.org is that these were the mutineers that Coldhands killed and Summer ate. They're not named though.

Rob Fossil wrote:The hardcore book readers (otherwise known as 'Nerrrrrrrrrddddsssss!!!') feel that showing possible scenes from future books confirms or busts their tinfoil theories and spoil certain character arcs. Also, in the episode synopsis on the HBO website, they named who the main Other was at the end of the episode (they have since changed the info on the website to "White Walker") which is a big spoiler. I'm happy we are getting new information and don't care if the series gets ahead of the books, I'll still read them when they're released.

Iommic Pope wrote: Yeah I know, its crazy right? You are right about the arduous journey North, though. Although,

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I can't fucking wait until they get to the last Greenseer. That is going to be some Sabbathian-Olde-World-Warlocks-in-the-forest-hippies-of-doom shit.

Yeah Craster's isn't gone into in so much detail in the books.
Are you talking about Armory Lorch heading after Bran? I honestly was not a fan of that. Nor was I fan of Lorch being a composite of that character and Vago Hoat (I was really hanging out for the Brave Companions), but Noah Taylor is awesome, so I'll let it slide.

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Yeah man, the Greenseer bit is some doomy shit. Dude so slow that a tree grows through him I wonder how they will approach that in the show though. I feel like they are really changing around Bran's story - but maybe they are just adding material for him to keep him in the show in a more entertaining way than he was in the books during this period of time

Iommic Pope wrote:I think there are conflicting legends about him in the book.
Personally,

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I prefer the one with the Boltons. It explains Roose's betrayal at the red wedding, gives it more background, and explains what the fuck is up with them a bit more. Also, Dreadfort. You don't get that name for nuthin.
Although, let's face it, anything is possible North of the Wall.

You've gotta read between the lines but it is there.
I find that there is very little truth when characters are explicit about historical events in this series. You've gotta look at the current state of play and piece the past together from rumour, whisperings and little deets dropped here and there.
So do we think

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The Crannogmen might actually bail out Bran and the Reeds at Craster's on the show? Was Jojen's seizure a psychic message to his dad?

???

D.o.S. wrote:

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http://awoiaf.westeros.org/index.php/Night%27s_King
Bran Stark recalls stories told to the Stark children of the Night's King and the Nightfort by Old Nan, servant in Winterfell. She said some people believe the Night's King was a Bolton, a Magnar out of Skagos, an Umber, a Flint, a Norrey, or a Woodfoot, who ruled Bear Island before the ironmen came. However, she identifies the Night's King as a Stark of Winterfell and brother to the King of the North and hints his name too was Bran.

Much ado about nothing, IMO.

I'm still months away from rereading the books, though.

t-rey wrote:

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Thanks. I remember that part in the book, but never put together that it was likely the group at Craster's - I always thought it was just some random white walkers that were dead Night's Watch. Makes sense since I figure that Coldhands is Benjen Stark.

t-rey wrote:

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Yeah man, the Greenseer bit is some doomy shit. Dude so slow that a tree grows through him I wonder how they will approach that in the show though. I feel like they are really changing around Bran's story - but maybe they are just adding material for him to keep him in the show in a more entertaining way than he was in the books during this period of time

I'm not big on the composite of Lorch and Hoat either. The Brave Companions shit would be pretty cool, but was probably an easy cut for the show since we don't really 'know' any of those characters.

t-rey wrote:

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Roose Bolton's betrayal is explained by the fact that he's an opportunistic cunt