856 for ZELLERSASN (Firmware 1.6 released, last page)

[DRodriguez]

Yes, but I can't remember how we did it. You can do like sequencer style stuff with it. He was referring to your 3 loops as you have like 3 notes. It was all quite confusing in the best kind of way.

Pitch and speed are separate on this. Before it was all one parameter, now you can pitch shift and maintain tempo, or mess with tempo and maintain pitch.

[cherler]

Oh OK, so the notes mentioned in the manual are referring to the 3 different 20 second loops?

[DRodriguez]

Nah, from what I can tell, it's 1 sample. And then the notes are how it tweaks that sample every time it plays a note.

And then you can change the record mode to change how new recordings come in. It's hard to grasp, even they were having trouble explaining it to everyone. But my simplest description would be granular based sample tweak sequencer, lol. I don't know. It does a lot of stuff.

I think I'm confusing y'all more than I'm helping. I'll go play with it again tomorrow and suss things out in my head. I'm getting a clearer picture now that I'm reading the manual more than in just passing.

[celticelk]

It sounds like a "note" is a sequenced step, yeah? And you can have up to three independent sequences ("note sets") affecting the playback of the recorded sample?

[cityz3n]

Wow! Exciting and confusing at the same time...

Kinda hoped that the midi in meant midi clock sync.
But I guess that is not the case at the moment?

Anyway looking forward to the demo!

[DRodriguez]

Yeah celticelk, that seems to be the most accurate way fof putting it from my limited knowledge.

I actually specifically asked about the midi clock, no midi clock.

[cityz3n]

Yeah celticelk, that seems to be the most accurate way fof putting it from my limited knowledge.

I actually specifically asked about the midi clock, no midi clock.

Ok. Thanks!
Too bad than I'll probably skip this run.
So one more for you guys!

[DRodriguez]

I don't think lack of midi clock is terrible on this. You can set a tempo between 40 and 240. Hard to do exactly by hand, but if you're running midi anyway, why not just set that parameter exactly with midi.
if you're in another tempo mode, you can use the fine tempo adjust to speed it up and slow it down as needed to correct drift manually.

[Tristan]

Huh, no MIDI clock, what's the MIDI in for then, it makes no sense.
So you can't bpm sync it externally in any way?

[DRodriguez]

Midi has more functions than clock. You can trigger everything and control every knob and setting via midi, even a few that aren't controllable sans midi and including tempo. If you are in free mode N1 that should allow you to set the tempo. You can save a bunch of presets in your session. or via another midi preset storing device.

[Tristan]

The preset stuff is exactly not what I'd want to do with MIDI, that's way too complicated and confusing for me.
Well, it was fun while it lasted, I guess other smarter and more proficient people will be interested.
Did you win one of these, since you're speaking as if you have it lying around the house already?
If so, congrats and good luck.
Thanks for updating us.

[DRodriguez]

No, I wish!

Just a mix of what I remember from playing with it and the manual. So, take everything I say with a grain of salt. I haven't had an opportunity to really get on with the pedal, just a few minutes of the designers showing it to me. I'm sure Scott will have more info to share once they get back from the chaos of working a weekend like this.

Preset stuff is great for live stuff. Let's say you invented this crazy sound with it in a studio environment, and wanted to be able to faithfully recreate it live with some leeway. Load up the same settings you did in the studio, and then tweak from that point live. Have your drummer send out the midi signal with a trigger to start recording on beat and end on beat, or even have a keyboard player use it to mess around with your guitar tone while you focus on playing. Or, do a combination of both.

[phantasmagorovich]

Oh, I thought Scott had posted that it does take midi clock in this thread some time ago. Bummer. I thought this would be a neat thing for live techno, not so much now.

But it IS awesome to see Montreal Assembly do interesting looper stuff. The GB24 to Ct5 was already a big step forward (too big for me actually, lol) and now this thing takes looping into a realm outside of usual string dudes grasps. Fucking ace! I would love to get a Ct5 and this just for the sake of having them.

[Tristan]

Truth about the clock or bpm sync in, was really hoping for that but lets see.
Truth about the presets too but I don't know, presets controlled by MIDI is really not for me.
Well, all eyes and fingers crossed then.

[mysteryroach]

So as someone who's in a learning stage at the mo and trying to put together a midi-heavy rig, and keeping all my time-based effects (i.e. modulation + delays) locked in the same beat - I got a (probably dumb) question:

If you have tempo controllable by midi, but no midi clock - does that mean that you can recall presets that change the rate of an effect, but you have no control over when the sample begins/ends? Is that the key distinction between tempo presets and clock-sync? I'm confused.

Just wondering if I can or can't get the pedal to sync exactly such that the beginning of the sample falls on the peak of my modulation effects. That is, by using midi to only change the tempo preset rather than needing to have midi clock feature available for this. Or (without midi clock) will there always be a "drift" that I simply have to live with? (unless corrected through fine-tuning as mentioned by DRodriguez).

Also, is midi-clock something that can be included later on through firmware updates? Or is that something that needs to be included in the hardware from the get-go?

Sorry for the noob questions. Likely gonna buy anyway if I can get my hands on one.