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Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sat Oct 05, 2013 7:23 pm
by behndy
awwwww i liked it. but i'm a sucker for Nihon based thingies. but nah. it's not AMAZING. i thought Murray was good as Captain Beatdown By Life? not genius or transcendent or anything. but good.
i just watched Into The Void for the second time. it's long, and a skipped through some of the TRIPPY LIGHTS TRIPOY LIGHTS FOREVER sections, but i like that movie a lot. subtly perverse.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:38 am
by contraterrene
Joe Gress wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZrLcnrnEqyI
Fuck guys. I kinda want to see it now.
i dont understand why spike lee is doing this
next, michael bay is going to redo Martyrs....
that being said, i'll probably see it.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:41 am
by behndy
ugh. fucking michael bay.
WHY DO YOU SHITS KEEP REMAKING MOVIES I LOVE. fucking ADORE Martyrs.
..... although Pain And Gain was fucking AWESOME. single movie he's done i liked.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 12:59 am
by contraterrene
behndy wrote:ugh. fucking michael bay.
WHY DO YOU SHITS KEEP REMAKING MOVIES I LOVE. fucking ADORE Martyrs.
..... although Pain And Gain was fucking AWESOME. single movie he's done i liked.
i love martyrs, too. if anyone actually remade it i would be verrrrrrry disappointed
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 1:06 am
by behndy
'specially Michael Fucking Esplosion Racisisisisism Bay.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 6:35 pm
by AngryGoldfish
aen wrote:Well, sorry. I didn't read all 23 pages.
but LOST IN TRANSLATION is the most overrated movie in the history of movies.
1) All the color is sucked out of that movie. It's like 90% gray. I Live in Wisconsin, OK? We have 9 months of winter. I don't need you sucking the color out of some other locale in your movie.
2) The genius of Bill Murray. The only possible genius points he can get from this movie is if he actually planned to do FUCKNG NOTHING and show NO EMOTIONS and enunciate NO WORDS and somehow be lauded for it.
Not even a major fox like Scarlett can save that piece of shit movie. Also, she's really not a very convincing actor either.
I never understood how so many people could dislike Lost in Translation with such enthusiasm. It's one of my favourite films, easily. If you don't like grey cinematography, don't watch Martha Marcy May Marlene.
It's funny that you say the film was very grey to you, because although certain scenes had a grey tinge to them, it was full of vibrancy and colour overall. Apparently the filmmakers used chiaroscuro to illustrate the story in a metaphorical manner. So they either failed miserably with this or maybe you had a dodgy copy. And it is set in Tokyo, after all, one of the dazzling places in the world.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Sun Oct 06, 2013 9:07 pm
by D.o.S.
AngryGoldfish wrote:aen wrote:Well, sorry. I didn't read all 23 pages.
but LOST IN TRANSLATION is the most overrated movie in the history of movies.
1) All the color is sucked out of that movie. It's like 90% gray. I Live in Wisconsin, OK? We have 9 months of winter. I don't need you sucking the color out of some other locale in your movie.
2) The genius of Bill Murray. The only possible genius points he can get from this movie is if he actually planned to do FUCKNG NOTHING and show NO EMOTIONS and enunciate NO WORDS and somehow be lauded for it.
Not even a major fox like Scarlett can save that piece of shit movie. Also, she's really not a very convincing actor either.
I never understood how so many people could dislike Lost in Translation with such enthusiasm. It's one of my favourite films, easily. If you don't like grey cinematography, don't watch Martha Marcy May Marlene.
It's funny that you say the film was very grey to you, because although certain scenes had a grey tinge to them, it was full of vibrancy and colour overall. Apparently the filmmakers used chiaroscuro to illustrate the story in a metaphorical manner. So they either failed miserably with this or maybe you had a dodgy copy. And it is set in Tokyo, after all, one of the dazzling places in the world.
Totally with you, AngryG.
I would, however, describe the film's visual style as muted. I think the only scenes that really stand out re: chiaroscuro are the Suntory commercial and the scene real early on when ScarJo's photog boyfriend/husband(?) meets up with that other model and they fall into that really natural conversation.
It's been a few years, though.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 6:43 pm
by AngryGoldfish
Muted is a good word.
The scenes where Charlotte is sitting in her hotel room (bootttyyyy!!) and looking out over Tokyo, there is a dim nature to those shots. I think that's supposed to be the case, though—to personify her mood. Then when she is out sightseeing in the countryside of Japan, where she is driven to think and feel powerful and persuasive thoughts, the cinematography becomes brighter and the start contrasts kick in.
These things, in my opinion, should be felt more so than cognitively meditated over. So if you felt crappy watching the movie and hated it because of that, which is completely fair, then the meaning and synopsis behind the muted textures and colours is irrelevant. Taking something apart to understand it better is fair enough, but if you're taking apart a piece of meat and you're a vegetarian, it isn't exactly going to help you change your mind.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Mon Oct 07, 2013 8:08 pm
by Mudfuzz
WWZ was the worst zombie movie I have ever seen. Also I don't care for Brad Pit.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 3:12 pm
by D.o.S.
AngryGoldfish wrote:Muted is a good word.
The scenes where Charlotte is sitting in her hotel room (bootttyyyy!!) and looking out over Tokyo, there is a dim nature to those shots. I think that's supposed to be the case, though—to personify her mood. Then when she is out sightseeing in the countryside of Japan, where she is driven to think and feel powerful and persuasive thoughts, the cinematography becomes brighter and the start contrasts kick in.
These things, in my opinion, should be felt more so than cognitively meditated over. So if you felt crappy watching the movie and hated it because of that, which is completely fair, then the meaning and synopsis behind the muted textures and colours is irrelevant. Taking something apart to understand it better is fair enough, but if you're taking apart a piece of meat and you're a vegetarian, it isn't exactly going to help you change your mind.
Depends on what you're going for. If you're breaking down the
mise en scene or trying to ape it from a technical perspective it's super important. If you're trying to figure out why you liked it or didn't like it, it might be a contributing factor. If you're storyboarding, it's a great note to have.
Another similarly excellent movie that's really divisive--Adaptation.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Tue Oct 08, 2013 6:29 pm
by AngryGoldfish
Adaptation is a fantastic movie that gets a lot of negative rep.
And yeah, sometimes it is really helpful to critique each scene on a fine scale, but if you don't like a movie then someone telling you why you don't like it isn't always going to make you like it.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 2:21 am
by The4455
Mudfuzz wrote:Also I don't care for Brad Pit.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 7:22 am
by fiddelerselbow
AngryGoldfish wrote:Muted is a good word.
The scenes where Charlotte is sitting in her hotel room (bootttyyyy!!) and looking out over Tokyo, there is a dim nature to those shots. I think that's supposed to be the case, though—to personify her mood. Then when she is out sightseeing in the countryside of Japan, where she is driven to think and feel powerful and persuasive thoughts, the cinematography becomes brighter and the start contrasts kick in.
These things, in my opinion, should be felt more so than cognitively meditated over. So if you felt crappy watching the movie and hated it because of that, which is completely fair, then the meaning and synopsis behind the muted textures and colours is irrelevant. Taking something apart to understand it better is fair enough, but if you're taking apart a piece of meat and you're a vegetarian, it isn't exactly going to help you change your mind.
Exactly. I loved the subtlety of the film, I think that unlike other romances in films, Lost In Translations just seems to flow so naturally and delicately and juxtaposes nicely with the physical and emotional isolation that both characters seem to be struggling with. That last scene got me right in the fucking feels too.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:24 pm
by jfrey
Lost in Translation is awesome. If anything it's underrated - I don't know anyone else that likes it.
Re: Overrated movies?
Posted: Wed Oct 09, 2013 3:26 pm
by D.o.S.
AngryGoldfish wrote:Adaptation is a fantastic movie that gets a lot of negative rep.
And yeah, sometimes it is really helpful to critique each scene on a fine scale, but if you don't like a movie then someone telling you why you don't like it isn't always going to make you like it.
Fair.
For me, like and dislike are an emotional binary that kind of exists outside of quality. For example, I've never vibed with A Clockwork Orange, but it's certainly a good film.