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Now that I think about it, I could do well with a two loop a/b switch, one that has two whole loops instead of just two outputs. That way I can switch of between my Accountant (which I like to have on for cleans) and my Silver Rose (which doesn't like the accountant).

I might get the One Control Black loop, as I like the included daisy chaining it has. But it has two switches, which is an inconvenience.

Edit: I literally just found out the have a pedal called the white loop that does this.

I absolutely love my Switchblade switcher, but if the Boss ES-8 had been available at the time I purchased I might have bought that instead. Being able to put things in any order, or turn off/on a large bank of pedals with one button is invaluable live. I can't tell you how many times I used to try to do a quick tap dance live, and miss a pedal, and have to just leave it on, because it was too deep into the next measure to turn it off. In regards to spontenaety I have managed to set mine up in such a way that I have 9 stock routing schemes that cover just about every foreseeable use, and I can turn on/off individual pedals within the scheme. Then I have a number of song based schemes that really just dumb it down for me, when I enter a song based patch almost all of my buttons except the ones I need go inactive so my control scheme goes from open ended to idiot proof.

The biggest hidden cost was patch cables. I don't roll my own so I had to buy custom made. If you are using a switcher most of your 6" patch cords become useless. I needed straight to right angle patches in a bunch of different lengths, and when I've redone my board sometimes I've come up short on required lengths and had to order more. The place I but then from takes like 2 weeks to ship them usually, and they aren't cheap, $11-14 per cable. Anyone who makes their own cables will have a much easier transition to switcherville.

One benefit I don't think anyone has mentioned is pedal placement. Since you now require a bunch of odd cable lengths you are in the position of putting everything where it fits best and makes most sense. Pedals that have tap tempos or other controls can all go to the front, all your expression jacks can face outwards, pedals can be placed where the fit is best. Yes you CAN do this without a switcher, but a switcher sort of forces the issue on you.

Don't know anything about amt other than seeing that fatal tube pedal around for years, but I ran across this today: http://eshop.amtelectronics.com/router- ... product/68

Seems like it could be neat. Programmable, has a power supply splitter, and also has a switchable buffer.

A little expensive though

Geez Louise people.... everything old is new again. ES-8? Nothing new there folks.

I've been using the old 360 Systems Audio Matrix 16 for going on 10 years now.



OK... it's a rack mount, I know. But, 16 loops? Fully programmable? Create any signal chain, in any order? MIDI controllable? Yes on all counts. That's why it was marketed as a programmable patchbay.

I have 3 of them, the most I ever paid for one was $125. These were big in Rush's set up in the late 80's / early 90's. Granted, a bit tough to find nowadays, especially the 1/4" jack units, but they do pop up from time to time. So, is the ES-8 worth 700 clams? Not bloody likely.

Just makes me laugh when folks lose their fucking minds over something "new". Revolutionary? No. That techno's been there, and done that.

I think a little single or double loop is in my nearish future. Being able to go from super wet to dry with one click is just so crucial for so many songs.

digi2t wrote:Geez Louise people.... everything old is new again. ES-8? Nothing new there folks.

I've been using the old 360 Systems Audio Matrix 16 for going on 10 years now.



OK... it's a rack mount, I know. But, 16 loops? Fully programmable? Create any signal chain, in any order? MIDI controllable? Yes on all counts. That's why it was marketed as a programmable patchbay.

I have 3 of them, the most I ever paid for one was $125. These were big in Rush's set up in the late 80's / early 90's. Granted, a bit tough to find nowadays, especially the 1/4" jack units, but they do pop up from time to time. So, is the ES-8 worth 700 clams? Not bloody likely.

Just makes me laugh when folks lose their fucking minds over something "new". Revolutionary? No. That techno's been there, and done that.

except this is a pedalboard friendly unit. i'd be willing to pay the extra monies to go with something designed around my current setup instead of shoe-horning rack stuff with no footie control in.

but yeah. i feel you. certain things are just repetitions, but some times.... refinements? alterations to suit needs?


Eruckus - yurp. the new switcher i have will let me flop between one pedalbpard and the other, so i'll be able to go EVERYTHING ON to cleans. woot. USEFUL.

That rack unit looks rad. I can't say it replaces my jones to have something that can live on my pedalboard with everything else, but it's certainly something I'll be keeping an eye out for. Especially for that price! Could definitely come in handy at home.