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D.o.S. wrote:Ginger Baker is da bes.

If ya haven't see it already, check out "Beware of Mr. Baker" on Netflix. Cool documentary. Pretty good drummer, more of a jazz minded drummer, and from the looks of it, a rotten human being. I would hate to be in a band with someone like him.

Every once in a while, there will actually be something cool on Netflix. I DO like that he put thought into the what he played. But it's interesting. Many drummers of our genre grew up listening to heavy music and thus, many of us are influenced by the music WE listen(ed) to. But Mr. Baker's idols were some of the great jazz drummers of the day. People like Elvin Jones, Philly Joe Jones, Art Blakey and so are are drum and rhythm monsters. Some of the greats drummers of rock drew a lot of their musical inspiration from people outside the rock genre. John Henry Bonham after coming to the states was exposed to some great drummers of the day. The "Fool in the Rain" drum beat is a variation of a Bernard Purdie shuffle.

If I ever feel like I am in a rut, I just check out some drummers that are outside of what I am familiar with and see if there is anything that I can use, or something that inspires me.

It will be four weeks tomorrow since I placed the order for my new kit. Ugh... I can't imagine people waiting for one of those EGC guitars. I heard the wait for those are brutal too.

I really looked up to Keith Moon a lot before I even started wanting to drum. Him and Jim Chamberlain from the Smashing Pumpkins. My appreciation of jazz came later on as I continued on drumming.

Road Bull wrote:

D.o.S. wrote:Ginger Baker is da bes.

If ya haven't see it already, check out "Beware of Mr. Baker" on Netflix. Cool documentary. Pretty good drummer, more of a jazz minded drummer, and from the looks of it, a rotten human being. I would hate to be in a band with someone like him.

Every once in a while, there will actually be something cool on Netflix. I DO like that he put thought into the what he played. But it's interesting. Many drummers of our genre grew up listening to heavy music and thus, many of us are influenced by the music WE listen(ed) to. But Mr. Baker's idols were some of the great jazz drummers of the day. People like Elvin Jones, Philly Joe Jones, Art Blakey and so are are drum and rhythm monsters. Some of the greats drummers of rock drew a lot of their musical inspiration from people outside the rock genre. John Henry Bonham after coming to the states was exposed to some great drummers of the day. The "Fool in the Rain" drum beat is a variation of a Bernard Purdie shuffle.

If I ever feel like I am in a rut, I just check out some drummers that are outside of what I am familiar with and see if there is anything that I can use, or something that inspires me.

It will be four weeks tomorrow since I placed the order for my new kit. Ugh... I can't imagine people waiting for one of those EGC guitars. I heard the wait for those are brutal too.

He also, famously, said that if Cream really had birthed heavy metal they should've had an abortion. Doesn't matter, he's still phenomenal.

Totally +1 to looking outside the scope of what you play, though. I wish I was wired to play drums.

Lol, that sounds about par for the course. Haha. Think I remember that in the video I watched.

Yeah, I think its good to open your ears and mind to other music. For instance, someone on a drum forum referenced a drummer's drum kit sound. I checked it out and was blown away. Listened to a few more clips, was impressed, then came to where he was playing with others. I totally wasn't into it's fusion style. But, if I had heard it the other way around, I might not have heard the cool stuff.

But the uber technical Steve Via stuff has never impressed me at the "song" level. Many times, the musician is great, but it gets in the way of the song, then it sucks.

It all depends to me on the song and or band. uber techincal stuff I love and stuff that's simple that's laying a thick groove I dig. All I care about does the drummer enhance or at least solidify the song they are playing. if they are I'm happy. If they are really just the bare minimum of time keeping.. hell might as well use a drum machine.

I need to get pics of my setup tonight when I hit the practice space.

Me too. Thanks for the reminder.

No pics last night because my cellphone died. I did change the broken front head on my bass drum. I took out the padding that was in there that the guy I bought it off of had in there. I hate when drums are padded so much that they sound like cardboard boxes. I like it when the drums breathe. Now my kick sounds like a fucking cannon. 22" kick, 14" snare, 13" rack tom on a snare stand, and a 16" floor tom. Got the 12" tom in the corner cause fuck that shit. Sabian and Zildjan cymbals and a Saluda V Bell.

Yeah, I was a bit of a half-witt yesterday and forgot to snap some pics. I am with you in wide open drums. I know its not for everyone. Some go for that thuddy triggered sound. Its not for me though.

I will be going for a higher tuning on larger shell, Bonham sound sort of thing. I would link something, but I am not smart enough to link a YouTube clip with my phone.

One day I will own a 26 14 18 Ludwig kit.

this is for anyone not roadbull. Does anyone ever tune their drums to a specific pitch? It seems most tune them to where they "sound good" It just seems like it would add to the musicality of things but I know of no one who does this.

No I don't. I've heard of some people doing so. But no one I've ever encountered in all the many bands I've played with.

So I dig how this sounds >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pwffE1FfCdo

or an actual era likeness of the man's kit. >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OuDGSjBpL50

The drums by themselves when played solo, sound different and more open and ringy than many are used to. But in the band setting, they will sound thunderous because they are not choked.

Now, take a similar kit with similar sizes/ configuration, and tune them too low, and while it may sound good "near field" meaning, behind the kit at ear level, What people hear is thuda thuda thuda..

Like >> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UKriX9nUgt8

Let's see if these pics load from my phone.

OK... Looks like I am not smart enough to make the pics happen via my phone. I will get them up when I get back home to my computer.