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christianatl wrote: I also like language.

that's a good point tho

christianatl wrote:Yes, Cuban B.

i stick by my story

im lost.

echodeluxe wrote:im lost.

It's like chewy and gritty but not like buzzy and velcroy but it still oscillates.

imo organic is just another way of saying "how it should sound"

When I hear organic, I see an unshaved hippie.
So organic sounds like The Grateful Dead, Jefferson Airplane, or Quicksilver Messenger Service.

That's cool to me.

Mudfuzz wrote:

echodeluxe wrote:im lost.

It's like chewy and gritty but not like buzzy and velcroy but it still oscillates.

See, that works for me.

Also, while I don't shop there for food, my local Whole Foods has a bitchin' beer selection.

I've always thought of 'organic' as 'an extension of your amp', more specifically, the preamp.
I've only found one truly 'transparent' pedal in my definition of the word, and that is the SSBS Mini. You can get it to be not transparent at all, but there are a TON of settings that just sound like an amp being pushed that I totally vibe with.

i find that my fulldrive has a free-range kind of sound. the gain is extremely grass fed and it doent bog down the highs with rbht or any other growth hormone. also kale.

i guess that instead of :organic" style descriptors i use dichotomies like "hot/cold," "analog/digital" (and yes, analog fuzzes can sound "digital"), "clean/distorted | dirty" or "warm/metallic" which seem more useful. "organic" isn't a very clear description. is a Fuzz Face more "organic" than a Buzzaround? or an Ampeg Scrambler? if so, how?

exactly. how do you quantify "organic"? especially since people all use it differently!

echodeluxe wrote:exactly. how do you quantify "organic"? especially since people all use it differently!

A lot of it is the production.

There's a period of time in radio-heavy guitar music history, to me, that sounds really "artificial." Post-Dark Side, post Zep IV, post- London Calling &NMTB... A lot of Zappa's 80's and late 70's stuff has it (particularly when he was using Steve Vai as "stunt guitar"), the Cars have it in spades. It seems in retrospect like everyone got caught up trying to be the next Floyd with new equipment and somehow ended up sounding like a robot beating off onto a cavernously reverb'd snare.

and, because I've got a Floyd boner like you wouldn't believe, I'd say that post-Syd to DSOTM floyd have some of the most "organic" effects ever. If you weren't a musician, you wouldn't necessarily know that they were using effects, because the instruments "sound like they should," In a way you wouldn't with, say, Tom Morello with Rage Against The Machine.

makes sense. i guess.

It might be because the first time I heard it, it was describing a Devi Ever fuzz, but I always thought of it as a less controlled sort of sound. A lot of times, if you buy a newer [insert giant brand here] fuzz, it sounds a bit... like they tuned it too much. It's EQed to hell and back and always just feels like its missing something, so I always thought "organic" meant the opposite of that. The fuzz comes through the circuit and gets left alone, hence the super simple circuits and such.

Or something like that. Fuck if I know what anybody really means. It's just a word someone made up to describe something they couldn't describe. Which, come to think of it, is basically why organic food got its name.

EXACTLY. people call things weird names cuz they dont even know whats goin on.

echodeluxe wrote:makes sense. i guess.

But Kid A sounds really organic, too.

So, uh, maybe something that doesn't stand out in the mix as a "blatant effects! Bro check my board!!"?
Less MBV, more Muse.

Pop Sheen? Andy Wallace? Short People got Short Problems?