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Man a lot of threads turn into the PC argument. I also very much appreciate the escalation of rhetorical pitch that comes with rising levels of butthurt. And re: Rusty--I hear you, but watch out for the Carlin thing. Don't know if this is you, but a lot of fans treat him like a philosopher when he is anything but. He's a comic. His job was to provoke laughter. There's a whole other field devoted to getting people's brains riled up. Again, not a slam, but I find a lot of intellectual immaturity connected to mistaking non-philosophers as philosophers.

gnomethrone wrote:Mr aloha shirt still has his job, and maybe also a new understanding that female-as-decoration isn't the most professional fashion choice. Nobody forced him at gunpoint to cry on TV. The "pc police" may tweet at you but the actual police will just bash your skull with their hate sticks. It's not the same thing.

Always a good fucking thing to remember, as far as i know, nobody has been murdered by political correctness. Unlike the numerous people constantly being murdered by the people that Political Correctness seeks to speak out against. A man getting his ugly ass shirt put on blast on the internet is nowhere near as bad as the hundreds of black people murdered by cops every year, or the fact that AIDS was used for half a decade as a biological weapon against societal undesirables or whatnot.

But at this point i digress. I really like Seltzer. What's your favorite Seltzer flavor? I just like flavorless seltzer, personally, actually. LYLAS.

psychic vampire. wrote:I just like flavorless seltzer, personally, actually.

Ew.

I know, like what the fuck is wrong with me.

Invisible Man wrote:Man a lot of threads turn into the PC argument. I also very much appreciate the escalation of rhetorical pitch that comes with rising levels of butthurt. And re: Rusty--I hear you, but watch out for the Carlin thing. Don't know if this is you, but a lot of fans treat him like a philosopher when he is anything but. He's a comic. His job was to provoke laughter. There's a whole other field devoted to getting people's brains riled up. Again, not a slam, but I find a lot of intellectual immaturity connected to mistaking non-philosophers as philosophers.

No worries m8...I consider Carlin a writer and performer. I'm still in awe of what he did with language in Modern Man. Spinning jargon, cliche & hollow buzzwords into a winding verse with valleys and peaks of scathing critique on our goofy western culture. Still, I wouldn't characterize him as a philosopher. More like a thinker with a knack for insight, humor & turn of phrase. But who are you to say he wasn't a philosopher? (like he'd wannabe one anyway after Killdozer told'm getcha shine box)

Furthermore w/r/t intellectual immaturity, ze name is political correctness. Or is that emotional immaturity? Bit of both?
I am sardonically unsurprised to see PC koolaid drinkers attempt to minimize & even justify mistreatment of someone, whose only mistake was being caught on camera wearing a tacky shirt. No hate. Just the crime of wrongthink, where blaming the victim is fine sometimes.

I do enjoy the absurdity of it all, juxtaposed with laissez-faire tudes toward someone posing proudly in the graphic FUCK WHITE PEOPLE suit.

As for the previous emotional appeal re: police brutality...from another perspective it would be wise to remember many in law enforcement are now veterans who saw combat. People don't return from war as they leave. Imagine the trauma of being treated as a pawn, thinking you're doing the right thing when really trapped in a bigger game where the only way to win is truly by not playing. In reality, sometimes bad choices have to be made.

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KY2lQV3ADfc[/youtube]

Somehow being a veteran makes it okay to participate in the mass extermination of black people? Dragging a troops debate into this is unnecessary. Guy wore a tacky fucking shirt and got called the fuck out for looking like a god damn idiot in a moment when his presence represented more than just himself to many people who saw it. But the people who got upset about that weren't nearly as bad as the Elliot Rodgers or Dylan Roof, and there are a lot of people in America like Elliot Rodgers and Dylan Roof. Stanley Vernon Majors. However you want to slice it.

I love arguments about PC. ideally the PC "group" would just strive for equity of access to the world right? but I don't really see this consistently from my experience. to me the problem with this "movement" is with the people who are trying to control the language of others because words hurt or they can't deal with being offended by something they don't agree with. they view things that are actually unimportant consequences of living in the first world (people who are truly struggling to survive or are totally outcasted in society are too preoccupied with surviving to be part of a discourse on political correctness) as more than such and malign identities into us and them thinking; which ironically is a less inclusive and equitable environment. Anecdotally a lot of people i've interacted with in real life who seem to be in this PC "group" are often well off enough to where having their feelings hurt or confronting the chaos of reality is discomforting enough to where they feel they are victims (when they are often just confused) and are being "oppressed" when in reality believing in shit like "white privilege" is actually marginalizing in itself and has no function in making our world more equal or a better place; as if you should feel shame in being a white person in a world where white people have been in power historically and that for some reason past injustices that have nothing to do with you as individual should make you feel bad in the present. it's like these people want everyone to feel as bad or lonely as them or something because they can't deal with reality.

for example I was once into a girl who was active in our colleges' LGBT club. obviously there's nothing wrong with that at all, but she once told me that someone she disagreed with on X topic during a club event had no standing in an argument because he was a white male and was "too privileged" to deserve merit in a discussion. how she didn't see the irony in telling me this viewpoint as i'm a white male while also advocating for more LGBT rights in our society was weird and obviously dumb as fuck. the problematic people in the PC "group" are the "feminists" who hate men and the such; they take real issues and twist them into creating a new fucked up hierarchy which is really just flipping a problem upside down.

another example I can think of with issues of PC ideology is when it becomes unacceptable to criticize Islam as being a device to promote violence for fear of being seen as racist or a bigot.

rustywire wrote:

Invisible Man wrote:But who are you to say he wasn't a philosopher?

...no one. My opinion. I get burned out by folks who look at fairly shallow arguments that blow their minds, though, and assume it is good thinking/wisdom just because it is novel to them. As in, there's a pretty robust tradition of intellectual engagement with problems that's accessible to anyone near a library.

Not gonna die on the hill of criticizing Carlin. I just notice a high correlation between loving him and burying one's head in the sand.

(I'll say it again, though it seems you get it: not talking directly about you.)

Do you guys think chemtrails are influencing PC culture?

PC can suck my right and left.

We are talking about Pop Culture right?