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Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:33 am
by Jwar
Around here it seems like nothing ever happened. At least that's how people are acting. Almost everything is returning to some state of normalcy. Not for me though. I'm still scared and I think it's because I actually understand science and medicine more than most people. I don't say that to be pompous, I just had a realization the other day. I spend a lot of time reading scholarly studies, I've been in EMS, studied anatomy and physiology so much that I'm only like 5 credits away from a degree. I've also studied the mind. Never in a formal school setting though. The mind and the body are so interesting that I can't help myself.

What I'm doing above is trying to rationalize what is happening right now. We are being throw to the wolves and our government does not care anymore...if they ever did. The states that want to continue being safe are facing punishments like funding being pulled federally.

My wife had to go back to work. No one is wearing a mask and she has a co-worker who had COVID-19 and that person is back already to work. Even they are not wearing a mask. WHY? I went to the orthodontist with my daughter this morning and they weren't even wearing mask. They are a doctors office.


I think I'm going to end up getting this shit. Maybe I'll die, maybe my wife will. I don't know. Guess it doesn't matter though. It's too hard for people to wear a mask so others won't suffer. I've realized the selfishness of the human race and it makes me weep for this world. I'm not kidding, I cry for this world in a literal way.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 3:48 pm
by Achtane
I feel you, jwar. It's scary. The unfortunate times that we've had to go out to a store, I feel like I'm surrounded by plague victims. It's really irritating to be in public because I get so pissed off at these dumbshits who aren't wearing a mask. Individuals, whole families including kids and old people, you name it. They just don't give a shit and won't be inconvenienced in any way, and God help anyone who tells them otherwise. Muh freedoms!

The store my wife works at requires employees to wear masks but they're too spineless to require the same of customers. I didn't think genuflecting to the almighty consumer could get any worse, but here we are, protect the customer but don't protect the employee. Make a commercial calling them heroes but fuck giving them hazard pay. Sometimes she hides in a side room because it's just too crowded and stressful.

I see burials of COVID victims at work sometimes now. They put the casket in a huge plastic bag, put that in the vault, and put the vault in another huge bag. We now stand back and wait until the vault person does their thing before moving in to finish up the burial. Of course, the vault person isn't wearing even gloves.

I did a cremation service this afternoon. The whole family came out, handshakes and hugs all around. No masks, no distancing in any way. Everyone walked grandma up to the headstone. Go get your whole family possibly killed via a funeral, that's something.

If you don't even do the bare minimum by wearing a mask, fuck you.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 6:09 pm
by K2000
Here's a new article in Science magazine - a little technical but not too bad - saying that the 6 foot recommendation is based on 80-year old technology that can't detect aerosol particles like modern technology can. The aerosol can travel farther than the big droplets, and because of the smaller particle size, can penetrate deeply into the lungs, more so than bigger droplets. The best way to combat this is if everybody is wearing masks... not because they protect the mask wearer (masks do protect a wearer, some) but the mask traps the aerosol from spreading out, which protects everybody else. The safest situation is when everyone wears a mask around other people, shopping etc.

https://science.sciencemag.org/content/ ... ce.abc6197

The people who are protesting the lockdowns while not wearing masks don't understand that they are undermining their own efforts, by showing everybody that they refuse to comply with safety recommendations. People who are irresponsible with safety measures are why lockdowns are necessary. It would be like a drive-by protest against traffic laws, and all the protesters are driving around holding up beers. If you want to end lockdowns sooner, get everybody to comply with safety recommendations, which are to wear masks in public. If you look at Asian countries like Vietnam, they have an extremely low infection rate, and very few deaths, almost certainly because they have virtually everyone wearing masks. It's not the first time they've had to wear masks in Vietnam, so there's no social stigma about it. And they have cops and military enforcing it.

I live in New York City, if I lived in Montana I might feel differently. But supposedly, the virus is going to hit virtually the entire country, sooner or later.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Thu May 28, 2020 10:38 pm
by Chankgeez

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:32 am
by cosmicevan
The masks thing getting politicized is super silly.

We've had it and have decided to loosen up our own restrictions. Yesterday, my wife had 3 of her friends over. We set them up in our 2 car garage w a chair in each corner...they were like 10 - 15 ft apart...each chair had a little snack table with cups/water/etc and everyone was encouraged to bring their own adult beverages to minimize sharing risks. Sanitizers were out and there was some light music. My wife loved it, she said it did wonders for her mental health and she is encouraging me to start doing the same.

In any event, one of her guests arrived and said to another guest, "hey you aren't doing the social distancing thing...well I'm not either" and she pulled her chair pretty much on top of the other mom and proceeded to spend the rest of the evening really close to her for no other reason than because she wanted to make a statement that she wasn't obeying social distance guidelines.

That's the rub as I see it. It isn't that people who don't agree with it are just living their lives, they are deliberately doing whatever they can to disrespect the practice as a whole. My wife didn't care, she said as long as they stay away from me, who cares...and I agree with her, but it's so true that this mom who is mad about the way things are...she is feeding into the problem, making it worse, by making her statement that she is against the practice.

It's an awful thing to think this way, but enough people have not died. We need these people who are against social distancing to catch it...and start spreading it to their loved ones. We need multiple positive cases to show up at these protest rallies. The news needs to change to remorseful interviews of people who refused to wear masks crying over dead and dying loved ones pleading with the other morons to take this seriously and don't make the same mistakes. Until that happens, the fools will continue to make real life seem like "Idiocracy" was a documentary and not a comedy.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 11:42 am
by Chankgeez
cosmicevan wrote:feeding into the problem, making it worse, by making her statement that she is against the practice.
You can thank our Politicizer-in-Chief for encouraging that kinda behavior. He's a great leader.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 12:28 pm
by Jwar
Nah. That's giving him too much power. Sure he is making it easy for people to think a certain way, but ultimately they are at fault for following that thought pattern. I will now quote Nickleback


"I'm not a leader of man because I prefer to follow"

Seems so relevant now.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 1:33 pm
by Chankgeez
You wanna talk about leaders of men?

[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8QYK463Ts[/youtube]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yb8QYK463Ts

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 3:29 pm
by retinal orbita
I went to the Costco yesterday and it was a real friggin' shit show. No more lineups, masks "suggested" and there were full families roaming around with their kids, no one was social distancing. It was the first time I really felt put out by people's behaviour. I won't head there for a while and I'll just stick with my local supermarket for the time being....

I went to pick up a record from a local shop that I bought online, they are very carefully opening up and masks are mandatory, the very nice young lady at the cash had told me that they have gotten into verbal arguments with customers who are refusing to mask. More than a couple and they have only been open for 3 days.

I work for a hospital, I am 99% community based but had to run into the ER last week to do something, I can't even imagine the stress they are under. The ER is never "fun" but you could feel the tension from people just radiating. Everyone is preparing for the "second wave" as things loosen up.....

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Fri May 29, 2020 5:15 pm
by Pepe
retinal orbita wrote:I went to the Costco yesterday and it was a real friggin' shit show. No more lineups, masks "suggested" and there were full families roaming around with their kids, no one was social distancing. It was the first time I really felt put out by people's behaviour. I won't head there for a while and I'll just stick with my local supermarket for the time being....
There was a very similar situation when I took my kids to a bigger playground in the city today (we had to go to the library anyway). People don't seem to care about social distancing anymore. We three have been the only persons among sixty or seventy others who wore a mask. My 5-year-old daughter was really pissed that all the kids got too close for her taste. When she climbed on a nest swing another girl wanted to get up as well and my daughter calmly told her that it's still time to keep distance. That was so cute.

But I was pissed as well and I won't visit a playground too soon again. The second wave will come, due to pure dumbness of the masses.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 4:16 am
by coldbrightsunlight
People are definitely putting less effort in here too. I try not to judge too harshly though as the government advice and messaging has been so unclear

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:28 pm
by Achtane
My wife had her hours cut, so now she's trying to file for unemployment, but there's apparently an issue with her claim. However, the fucking unemployment site is awful and doesn't actually tell you any information about the issue or even identify what it is, and it's impossible to reach them by phone. The system doesn't put you on hold or even hang up on you, it just...does nothing. She emailed them a week ago but hasn't gotten a response.

Also, because her hours were cut, her job dropped her insurance coverage.
To add her to my policy would make my monthly cost for mediocre insurance go from $50 a month to $250.

But hey, at least we aren't drowning in our own lung juice (yet)!

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:54 pm
by Chankgeez
Achtane wrote:... and it's impossible to reach them by phone. The system doesn't put you on hold or even hang up on you, it just...does nothing.
Try having her call as soon as their phone lines open. With bureaucracy, that sometimes works. :whoa:

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Sat May 30, 2020 12:58 pm
by Achtane
True, that's a good idea.

Re: It's virus time, guyz. Welcome to Pandemic.

Posted: Sun May 31, 2020 3:27 pm
by cosmicevan
Chankgeez wrote:
Achtane wrote:... and it's impossible to reach them by phone. The system doesn't put you on hold or even hang up on you, it just...does nothing.
Try having her call as soon as their phone lines open. With bureaucracy, that sometimes works. :whoa:
My wife got through on a weekend when the lines first opened up. Hold time was reasonable...when she hung up she told her (former) co-workers who were also trying to file. One of them got through mid morning and was on hold until the end of their day and never got a person to pick up. It was like a 6 hour hold or something crazy. :picard: