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Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:10 pm
by sergiomunoz74
http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Epiphone-K ... 7375880%26about to pull the trigger on this. The price point also helps me not give a shit about throwing into seven different infernos of hell while playing.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:12 pm
by AngryGoldfish
samzadgan wrote:AngryGoldfish wrote:I found a Marshall JCM800 Bass Series for €550. I've offered my modified Jet City as a partial trade. I don't have that much cash to spare, but if he takes the trade, I might catch a bus up to where he lives and give that thing a whirl. The price is definitely right, and it's apparently been serviced.
http://www.adverts.ie/guitar-amps/marsh ... ss/1586711
That sounds like a really good deal...definitely hit that!
AngryGoldfish wrote:t-rey wrote:Is it any brighter than the Pharaoh? I love my Pharaoh, but sometimes it sounds a tad dark/muffled on it's own. Keep in mind I don't and can't play at high volumes, so I'm not sure how much of this is purely a volume issue.
The lower the gain is on the Pharaoh, as you probably already know, the more muffled it becomes. I usually run my Pharaoh and Badascan with the two tone knobs at the full clockwise position, the high mode selected, push the gain up to around 12 o'clock, and then either crank the volume or set it at unity (to note: I've found the Badascan to be a little quieter and have less headroom than the Pharaoh). That derides the best balance between thick low-mids saturation and high-end clarity. In general, though, non of the Black Arts pedals I've played/owned sound bright. The Revelation is pretty dark as well. It's great with my new Telecaster. And yes, I would only play them at high volume levels on my amp. It helps clear things up.
As far as difference between the Pharaoh and the Badascan, the Badascan is doomier, chunkier and chewier. The Pharaoh is more akin to an overdrive pedal, while the Badascan is truly a beast.
So this is dilemma i'm having...do i get a pharaoh, LSTR or the Sarcophagus...or now that i've been reading about the Badascan, i'm considering that (although it doesn't seem like Mark makes production model, so would have to be a special order i guess.
My issue is that, the majority of use will be at home, besides the rehearsals sessions (once every couple of weeks) and gigs (once a month if we have time), so low volume usage will be very important to me as well as the pedal being friendly to Wah's and OD's; which i think all these 3 are anyway.
So based on that, should i discount the Pharaoh all together?
They sound fine at lower volume, they simply aren't at their best. It's kind of like an amp: although they sound very good at low volumes, they sound a lot better at higher volumes. Either way, I highly doubt you'll dislike the Pharaoh. It's the best fuzz I've ever played. Fucking love it to death. Go for the LSTR or Badascan, though, if you want more heaviez.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:32 pm
by CaptainBoxman
I just had the most terrifying (and awesome) jam to myself. I'm in love with the Big Green Pi. I also didn't realise my amp went that loud, so turning it up to full with the amp gain on 1, then hitting the muff was definitely a bad idea.
Or good, depending on your perspective.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:38 pm
by sergiomunoz74
I'm honestly how I feel about my muff. I'm starting to think I'm not a huge fan of stuff other than rats. I keep having issues with feedback on the muff versus my double rat combo is no problem.
Gotta continue to test, but a las I am also very sick.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:42 pm
by samzadgan
sergiomunoz74 wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Epiphone-Korina-Ebony-Explorer-1958-Reissue-Seymour-Duncan-Pickups-/271157375880?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D5642287706125797617%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D271157375880%26
about to pull the trigger on this. The price point also helps me not give a shit about throwing into seven different infernos of hell while playing.
mate, this is very similar to the one i played...and made in Unsung factory, which is one of the good ones. I don't know much about the pickups but seems like a good deal.
Not sure if you mind...but just so you know the Explorer's didn't actually have Korina bodies...only the V's and the Firebirds had Korina bodies...the Explorer has Alder body...not that it makes a huge difference, like i said, i really liked it and it did sound really good.
if you want more info...this is a really good epiphone resource:
http://epiphonewiki.com/index.php/Korina_Series
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:47 pm
by sergiomunoz74
Thanks I was wondering as there are sooo many random conflicting things on what type of wood they were actually made of. I'm interested as I love the shape, but if you say it sounds good then I have no problem doing some simple hardware upgrades and dealing with the wood. I mean it's going to be a doom machine so it's just gonna stay in a low tuning and heavily distorted anyway so I don't really think much of that matters besides it having some balls.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:51 pm
by crohny
sergiomunoz74 wrote:http://www.ebay.com/itm/2001-Epiphone-Korina-Ebony-Explorer-1958-Reissue-Seymour-Duncan-Pickups-/271157375880?_trksid=p5197.m1992&_trkparms=aid%3D111000%26algo%3DREC.CURRENT%26ao%3D1%26asc%3D14%26meid%3D5642287706125797617%26pid%3D100015%26prg%3D1006%26rk%3D1%26sd%3D271157375880%26
about to pull the trigger on this. The price point also helps me not give a shit about throwing into seven different infernos of hell while playing.
Rad. I playe done of the korina Vs and it was pretty sweet. Not sure where it was made though.
AngryGoldfish wrote:t-rey wrote:Is it any brighter than the Pharaoh? I love my Pharaoh, but sometimes it sounds a tad dark/muffled on it's own. Keep in mind I don't and can't play at high volumes, so I'm not sure how much of this is purely a volume issue.
The lower the gain is on the Pharaoh, as you probably already know, the more muffled it becomes. I usually run my Pharaoh and Badascan with the two tone knobs at the full clockwise position, the high mode selected, push the gain up to around 12 o'clock, and then either crank the volume or set it at unity (to note: I've found the Badascan to be a little quieter and have less headroom than the Pharaoh). That derides the best balance between thick low-mids saturation and high-end clarity. In general, though, non of the Black Arts pedals I've played/owned sound bright. The Revelation is pretty dark as well. It's great with my new Telecaster. And yes, I would only play them at high volume levels on my amp. It helps clear things up.
As far as difference between the Pharaoh and the Badascan, the Badascan is doomier, chunkier and chewier. The Pharaoh is more akin to an overdrive pedal, while the Badascan is truly a beast.
Badascan definitely isn't a pedal to stack last. I use it if I need more girth to my palm muting and want things to sound a bit tighter but still percussive.
samzadgan wrote:So this is dilemma i'm having...do i get a pharaoh, LSTR or the Sarcophagus...or now that i've been reading about the Badascan, i'm considering that (although it doesn't seem like Mark makes production model, so would have to be a special order i guess.
My issue is that, the majority of use will be at home, besides the rehearsals sessions (once every couple of weeks) and gigs (once a month if we have time), so low volume usage will be very important to me as well as the pedal being friendly to Wah's and OD's; which i think all these 3 are anyway.
So based on that, should i discount the Pharaoh all together?
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Pharaoh is still worth a look man. That pedal isn't a one trick pony. I think the most important thing to emphasize here is that it does sound awesome at high volume, but it doesn't go to shit at low volume. It has a lot more to do with this pedal running into an amp that has the power section being worked. I run it through my little SS practice amp and it sounds fine. Just listen to a lot of demos and figure out which sounds the best to you.
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 5:53 pm
by samzadgan
AngryGoldfish wrote:They sound fine at lower volume, they simply aren't at their best. It's kind of like an amp: although they sound very good at low volumes, they sound a lot better at higher volumes. Either way, I highly doubt you'll dislike the Pharaoh. It's the best fuzz I've ever played. Fucking love it to death. Go for the LSTR or Badascan, though, if you want more heaviez.
ok...so maybe i have to get both!...Pharaoh for loud volume and LSTR for home use...
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:02 pm
by samzadgan
sergiomunoz74 wrote:Thanks I was wondering as there are sooo many random conflicting things on what type of wood they were actually made of. I'm interested as I love the shape, but if you say it sounds good then I have no problem doing some simple hardware upgrades and dealing with the wood. I mean it's going to be a doom machine so it's just gonna stay in a low tuning and heavily distorted anyway so I don't really think much of that matters besides it having some balls.
to be honest wood has little to do with tone when your talking guitars at this level (which are all my guitars too)...i thought that wood makes a big difference, and had a huge issue with an Epiphone V that has a plastic fretboard, and i put the sound problems down to that and the weight of the body...the guitar tech told me that on these cheap to mid price guitars wood doesn't really come into it, about 90% of the sound comes from pickups themselves. A lot of it is to do with the fact that there is so much paint and lacquer of the wood that the it doesn't really have a chance to impact the tone as much as say a Gibson LP standard which has Nitro and the wood actually breaths and adds to the tone of the guitar.
so although a lot people get bent on the wood not being korina, the reality is that even the ones that are korina are probably not a great quality, have not been aged and at the end of the day, it would have a veneer on it anyway because the Korina they use doesn't have the aesthetic qualities of the A-Grade Korina used in a Gibson version...then you have the layers upon layers of lacquer.
like you say, put some thick strings on, tune down, plug in some heavyness and you'll be fine!
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 6:21 pm
by sergiomunoz74
Yeah I was going to save up for an actual Gibson Explorer so it can sit there comfortably with my studio but then I started thinking why spend all the extra money when it's going to end up just being used to be extremely heavy. I assumed wood wouldn't matter as much in the end after I throw on enough dirt pedals and shit.
It looks nice, and at half the cost of most used Gibby Explorers. I wish I liked Sg's I would just get one of the cheap SG specials but I can't bond with the shape for some reason but this is just as dope. Heavy heavies incoming next week. I wonder if I'll end up switching the pick up since I don't know dick about duncan pu's
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 9:58 pm
by Chankgeez
IS THIS DUDE ON ILF?
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vgpGQhQWLZ8[/youtube]
IF HE ISN'T, WHY ISN'T HE?
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 10:39 pm
by whiskey_face
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sat Feb 16, 2013 11:20 pm
by Andrew
[youtube]http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BmqeVCmYa7k[/youtube]
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 10:16 am
by samzadgan
so...besides fuzz and dirt pedals, what does everyone have on their board? I know everyone would have delay, and i'm set with that...but was thinking about trying something new. The reason it sparked my interest, yesterday i set my delay to a reverb type setting and it really beefed up the sound and i liked it...so now I'm thinking about getting a reverb pedal...and that got me thinking about all the other types pedals like tremelo, phaser, etc...what i'm wondering though is, what people find useful and what is a waste of time?
Re: The Doom Room: ILF Edition
Posted: Sun Feb 17, 2013 11:04 am
by Harry_Manback
Qzone>dirt>fuzz>Delay>trem>reverb.
I've learned to love reverb.